Quote: Originally Posted by silverblaz but there are also clutches applied in 4th as well and the clutches were fine ... hense the reason i still had a 4th gear . You need BOTH (3-4 clutch AND 2-4 band) for 4th. If the band can't hold the drum in 4th, just like it does in 2nd, then you won't have 4th either. Maybe ...