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Thread: is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?

Started 4 months ago by Wiley
i have two fish that are possibly from the same parents.... is inbreeding an issue with fish? they are African Daffodil Brichardi (Neolamprologus pulcher).
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BioG replied 4 months ago
inbreeding is a problem if you're re-breeding. Genetics are the same in fish, relatively speaking, as people. You will find fish with good traits even though their parents are bro-sis but that doesn't make them genetically dissimilar. You can either cull (kill) the defective looking fish ( you will miss some that have invisible flaws i.e. kidney probs etc.) hoping to create your own ...

Fogelhund replied 4 months ago
Is this just a hypothetical question, or are there some issues with the fry?

Number6 replied 4 months ago
Wiley wrote: i have two fish that are possibly from the same parents.... is inbreeding an issue with fish? they are African Daffodil Brichardi (Neolamprologus pulcher). Inbreeding depression is real, but largely misunderstood. Breeding fish with bad genes is the real problem, inbreeding just amplifies/ speeds up what we see happening. As Fogelhund asks, ...

Wiley replied 4 months ago
i bought two brichardis and the fish guy at my LFS said he knew the breeder personally, and he gave me two that he thought may be a male and a female.. i didnt think to ask him if they were from the same parents or not.

Fogelhund replied 4 months ago
Wiley wrote: i bought two brichardis and the fish guy at my LFS said he knew the breeder personally, and he gave me two that he thought may be a male and a female.. i didnt think to ask him if they were from the same parents or not. They should be fine as long as the fry in the tank at the LFS were all fine. Inbreeding issues can take MANY generations of ...

BioG replied 4 months ago
I'm with number6 on the biological specifics. Bad genes collide at a greater chance rate when you double up on them but you should be ok as long as you watch for traits which are unnatural. I.E. spine twisting, mouth twists or deformities, gill plate deformities and fin deformities are most common.

Wiley replied 4 months ago
BioG wrote: I'm with number6 on the biological specifics. Bad genes collide at a greater chance rate when you double up on them but you should be ok as long as you watch for traits which are unnatural. I.E. spine twisting, mouth twists or deformities, gill plate deformities and fin deformities are most common. now that you say deformitives like mouth twists... i...

BioG replied 4 months ago
could be. Look closely to see if you can discern if it was an injury (there would be bulging or scarring where an injury was healed), if not there is a good chance inbreeding may have accelerated a bad gene.

Fogelhund replied 4 months ago
I would be concerned about a mouth twist too. The other possibility is that somehow it was an injury sustained during mouthbrooding. If you continue to see deformities such as this in other fry, it should be a sign to cease breeding these fish.

Dave replied 4 months ago
Deformities of the mouth can be caused by injury during development, poor water quality, low mineral content in the water, or genetics. I personally avoid breeding fish that have mouths that are not formed properly, but I have done this in the past. In the one case where this occurred in my tank, the fry had perfectly formed mouths. This was a mating of siblings from the same spawn where the ...

 

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is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?
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Thanks I came across these. http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search/article?title=Cichlidae&title_type=tka&year _from=1998&year_to=2009&database=1&pageSize=20&index=7 http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search/article?title=Neolamprologus+pulcher&title_ type=tka&year_from=1998&year_to=2009&database=1&pageSize=20&index=3...
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is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?
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BioG wrote: I'm with number6 on the biological specifics. Bad genes collide at a greater chance rate when you double up on them but you should be ok as long as you watch for traits which are unnatural. I.E. spine twisting, mouth twists or deformities, gill plate deformities and fin deformities are most common. now that you say deformitives like mouth twists... i actually have a baby Boreyli that has a bit of a crooked mouth.. that a...
BioG
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is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?
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could be. Look closely to see if you can discern if it was an injury (there would be bulging or scarring where an injury was healed), if not there is a good chance inbreeding may have accelerated a bad gene.
Fogelhund
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is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?
Published (2009-08-14 07:26:00)
I would be concerned about a mouth twist too. The other possibility is that somehow it was an injury sustained during mouthbrooding. If you continue to see deformities such as this in other fry, it should be a sign to cease breeding these fish.
Dave
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is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?
Published (2009-08-14 08:56:00)
Deformities of the mouth can be caused by injury during development, poor water quality, low mineral content in the water, or genetics. I personally avoid breeding fish that have mouths that are not formed properly, but I have done this in the past. In the one case where this occurred in my tank, the fry had perfectly formed mouths. This was a mating of siblings from the same spawn where the male's mouth was not shaped correctly and...
caseyof99
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is inbreeding a plroblem with fish?
Published (2009-08-16 23:54:00)
I had an electric blue ahli that i called rambo because his mouth was damaged while he was young and left cocked to one side a little. You couldnt see any scaring or any signs of damage after about a week of this happening. I think he thought he was bigger than he was and lip locked with a much bigger fish breaking his jaw a little. Didn't affect his eating or even eventual mating but if i bought him after that happened i would swear it...

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