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Thread: aircraft lifespan

Started 3 weeks, 4 days ago by purplehelmet
hi guys, i was just wondering what or who govens the lifespan of an airliner. for example is there a limit on how many total hours an airliner can fly,or does it go by the number of rotations it does, or do the caa decide its to old to continue? or is it up to the airline its self.
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Intruder replied 3 weeks, 4 days ago
As long as it can pass all its inspections, it can fly forever. Look at all the DC3s and DC6s still flying! We retired our oldest 747 this year; it was built in 1973.

purplehelmet replied 3 weeks, 4 days ago
thanks for that intruder, wow thats some miles on the clock, can you please tell me was it still flying passengers all that time or was it a cargo aircraft? and any idea if it was the original engines? thanks.

Seat62K replied 3 weeks, 4 days ago
I would imagine that once maintenence costs rise significantly, and reliability suffers, airlines think about getting rid of old aircraft. There must be a point when it's simply not worth spending money to keep an aircraft in the air, good money after bad and all that. (A bit like an old car, really.) There must be much more to airlines' calculations, though. For example, fuel burn ...

purplehelmet replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
thanks seat62k. what set this off was a mate recently flew with jet2.com and made a comment on how old there fleet is (average 21 yrs) compared to other uk carriers, we know some older aircraft are restricted in the uk because of noise etc,but i guess in answer to my question there no limits as long as they are airworthy. thanks guys.

Planemike replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
A factor not mentioned so far is "passenger appeal". Something new and shiney is going to appeal more than some dated bit of functional kit. Planemike

purplehelmet replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
thats true mike but but i think in large when joe public books his holiday hes more concerned about the price rather than the age and apperance of the aircraft, also i must say that i think the jet2 colour scheme looks great and makes their aircraft look shiney and new, especially the 757s with the wing tips.

Planemike replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
ph...... Point taken, with many modern aircraft it is possible to disguise their real age fairly well, the Jet2 fleet being a case in point. Joe public would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 25 year old 737 and a four year old one. It was not the case back in the 60s and 70s when props were being phased out and jets being brought in. Think most punters could tell the difference ...

glhcarl replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Quote: A factor not mentioned so far is "passenger appeal". Something new and shiney is going to appeal more than some dated bit of functional kit. That is why airlines install new interiors on older airframes. Passengers get very little opportunities to see the exterior of the aircraft but see the interior the whole time they are in flight. Up-...

N707ZS replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Presume fatigue life must eventually come into play on some airframes.

Tinwacker replied 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Purplehelmet: The manufacturer will normal set the airframe life and after consulting FAA or CAA etc for their input. For most aircraft it's pressurisation cycles that normally effect the end life of an airframe. Hours will just give you a jaded aircraft and as previously mentioned cost of maintenance and upkeep and high fuel burn normally sends it to the desert... The long range companies ...

 

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purplehelmet
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Published (2009-11-17 20:22:00)
hi nooluv. i take your word for that,im a bit of a novice at this and only looked on planespotters .net. like i said i thought it was odd they only had the one. cheers, ph.
LN-KGL
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Published (2009-11-17 00:37:00)
purplehelmet, no hard feelings Both these photos were taken from a SAS DC-9-82 LN-RML during the flight from MAN to CPH in August.
nooluv
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Published (2009-11-17 21:20:00)
Yeah PU just double click on Aircraft fleet!
Planemike
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Published (2009-11-12 19:52:00)
Quote: That is why airlines install new interiors on older airframes. Passengers get very little opportunities to see the exterior of the aircraft but see the interior the whole time they are in flight. Up-grading an interior is much less expensive than a new airframe. Exactly my point ........ see post 8 above. Planemike
Intruder
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Quote: thanks for that intruder, wow thats some miles on the clock, can you please tell me was it still flying passengers all that time or was it a cargo aircraft? and any idea if it was the original engines? thanks. AFAIK , it was a freighter all its life. That means it operated at higher average gross weights its entire life. It is unlikely the original engines were on the airplane, because engines are routinely swapped among airplanes as...
glhcarl
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Published (2009-11-13 00:32:00)
Quote: remember watching a t.v. programme about the aloha 737, nearly all pax and crew had a very lucky escape, didnt it have some thing to do with it operating in a salty climate that caused metal fatigue? The Aloha incident led the FAA and other regulatory agencies to require all OEM's to establish a fatigue life for each of their models. However, once the fatigue life is reached it does not mean that the aircraft must removed from...
fdcg27
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Published (2009-11-16 01:47:00)
That was the reason I replied to you. I was applauding your post.
Mr @ Spotty M
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Published (2009-11-16 06:59:00)
Just a small point for the answer glhcarl gave, what you are refering to is not the life limit that l was refering to. What you are refering to are the ALI inspections, which on Boeing a/c kick in at around 20000 to 50000 cycles, but on Airbus a/c kick in earlier and are a more in line with routine inspections. All these ALI inspections are mandatory and can not be extended, so no variations unlike normal inspections. On Airbus all these...
Seat62K
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Published (2009-11-12 09:31:00)
I would imagine that once maintenence costs rise significantly, and reliability suffers, airlines think about getting rid of old aircraft. There must be a point when it's simply not worth spending money to keep an aircraft in the air, good money after bad and all that. (A bit like an old car, really.) There must be much more to airlines' calculations, though. For example, fuel burn compared with newer aircraft, fuel prices, the cost...
N707ZS
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Published (2009-11-12 17:06:00)
Presume fatigue life must eventually come into play on some airframes.

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