Thread: ZNIR Toho - Page 2 - Kendo World Forums

mmm, Interesting and diferents meanings of iai.. I have one question.. Morita sensei from Rokushikan is Yamauchi ha?? this is new for me, I think that Rokushikan is Hokiyama-Ikeda...I'm confused.

wait til you see my timing if you think hers is odd... I am not so sure you can put older people off once they make their minds up to do something, no matter how hard it is... we are quite stubborn....and can get a bit uppity if you suggest we are not capable of carrying on! ld_man: However most teachers allow/know standing versions of their ryu for older or infirm students. One of our older guys has artificial hips and could never do mae...

Quote: Originally Posted by chidokan its the random info I think we all tend to forget about... things like the underlying motivation for introducing things like this, does it work, has it achieved its original purpose etc. From my point of view, its a bit like the internet...its a good way of getting peoples attention into koryu that may otherwise just disappear. The negative point is minor, in that you have to practise these rather than...

Marcos, The ZNIR toho set weren't really created as such. They are just modified versions of kata taken from 5 different koryu. Seems I heard a rumor that the Komei Jyuku has 7 kata in their Toho set which share 5 from the ZNIR set. Perhaps it's the extra 2 that Sekiguchi-sensei added? Is Sekiguchi-sensei old enough to have been involved in the creation of the ZNIR toho set? I'm not quite sure when the Toho set was formalized,...

Quote: Originally Posted by chidokan sounds about right...60/70's from memory on the toho... cant remember if seitei or toho came first, but they are pretty close in start times... Everything I have heard from the old guys over here has been that the ZNIR was first and the ZNKR followed making the seitei-iai a few years later. While it may not be related, regarding the 5 kata Toho and 7 kata Toho, there is also the DNIR, which broke off...

Quote: Originally Posted by Marcos May be, the Soke says about the 2 kata new in the list of MJER, my japanesse-french is not so good and may be I'm mistaken, I need to lear more.. But Thank You at all, your opinios are very important to me. And What do you think about the exam of the 4º dan in ZNKR, and about the sageo? if in your koryu does't tie the sageo, it's necesary to tie for seitei? and what do you think about make a...

The ZNIR toho kata were established first, in 1956. The committee that formulated the kata consisted of five Muso Jikiden Eishin ryu representatives including Kono Hyakuren sensei, three Hoki-ryu representatives and the respective soke of both Suio-ryu and Mugai-ryu. The details of the five kata established were conveyed to a group of sensei who had been absent from the committee meeting, and reportedly met with their approval. This group...

Quote: Originally Posted by satsumaruma If we adopted that route I think the term used should be 'you' rather than 'we' as most people would either not do Iai or would give it up to do something else instead. Yes, yes of course some people would still do iaido but it would be far fewer. Perhaps you would prefer it like that; perhaps not. I don't know. But I think, for me, there is more to iaido than the study of the...

If we adopted that route I think the term used should be 'you' rather than 'we' as most people would either not do Iai or would give it up to do something else instead. Yes, yes of course some people would still do iaido but it would be far fewer. Perhaps you would prefer it like that; perhaps not. I don't know. But I think, for me, there is more to iaido than the study of the art itself. I like competing - it helps...

Humbug, there are too many kata in most koryu, only put there to attract students who like to collect kata instead of doing the real work. What we need is less kata, simpler kata! ONE KATA! Work on it for 20 years and think how much better we'd be. Kim.