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Thread: Why not a PADI diver number?

Started 4 months ago by rligon
Has anyone ever gotten an answer from PADI as to why they don't issue a diver ID number until you go pro? I understand why each cert has a different number, but it seems to me they could keep records a whole lot better if they gave you a permanent ID number (OW maybe?) that could be used on all correspondence, training records, etc. As it is, if one time I use my middle initial and the next ...
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themons replied 4 months ago
If you, your instructor, or the shop use your middle initial one time and not another, you are two different people. According to my last call to PADI on this, it cannot currently be corrected in the database. You could try to redo a PIC card w/wo the initial, but you would still be two different people. I agree that it would make things a lot simplier, if a single number were issued.

The Kraken replied 4 months ago
I concur . . . the K

The Kraken replied 4 months ago
I concur . . . the K __________________ init_countdown("Count down:", "10/16/2009 12:00 PM;Vortoberfest V"); VORTOBERFEST V Long after man is gone and his dams burst, the rivers will, once again, flow freely to the sea.

Kingpatzer replied 4 months ago
Managing multiple personality disorder while diving -- the newest PADI specialty

RonFrank replied 4 months ago
Using a name as the primary key in a DB is problematic, and I'm guessing PADI assigns a Psudo Key. Obviously PADI does link based on a name, and that can also be an issue. There are a lot of names that are not unique. They likely use name and other attributes to attempt to correctly link certs to one individual. I guess PADI figures that for students having correct linkage is not all that ...

RonFrank replied 4 months ago
Using a name as the primary key in a DB is problematic, and I'm guessing PADI assigns a Psudo Key. Obviously PADI does link based on a name, and that can also be an issue. There are a lot of names that are not unique. They likely use name and other attributes to attempt to correctly link certs to one individual. I guess PADI figures that for students having correct linkage is not ...

fire_diver replied 4 months ago
PADI could salve the problem by just asking for a previous student number on all post OW cert forms. If you don't have one, or don't know it, no problem, but if you do you caould have all your PADI training under one "account" I don't think they want to change this though. The current system allows them to give the impression that every new cert is a new diver.

fire_diver replied 4 months ago
PADI could salve the problem by just asking for a previous student number on all post OW cert forms. If you don't have one, or don't know it, no problem, but if you do you caould have all your PADI training under one "account" I don't think they want to change this though. The current system allows them to give the impression that every new cert is a new diver....

Crowley replied 4 months ago
Your are issued a diver (actually certification) number and it is indeed preserved but since the recreational cards are processed automatically, it depends on certain factors: (1) your name and date of birth is entered exactly the same as prior certifications. Often a middle initial is missed in which case a new number is issued (2) you were cerrtified in the same regional office - PADI have ...

Crowley replied 4 months ago
Your are issued a diver (actually certification) number and it is indeed preserved but since the recreational cards are processed automatically, it depends on certain factors: (1) your name and date of birth is entered exactly the same as prior certifications. Often a middle initial is missed in which case a new number is issued (2) you were cerrtified in the same regional office -...

 

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rligon
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vrykolakas(s), does that mean you use 3 times the air the rest of us do?
stevead
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The padi filing system keys on name and birthdate. It is unfortunately a very literal system and will give back "record not found" for any mismatch like presence or absence of a middle initial. __________________ http://www.atlanticdivers.com
The Kraken
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I concur . . . the K __________________ init_countdown("Count down:", "10/16/2009 12:00 PM;Vortoberfest V"); VORTOBERFEST V Long after man is gone and his dams burst, the rivers will, once again, flow freely to the sea.
vrykolakas
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Considering I dive (most days) 3-4 dives per day (6 days/week), I guess I do.. __________________ I am so much cooler than you... my mom said so...
RonFrank
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Why not a PADI diver number?
Published (2009-09-07 11:33:00)
Using a name as the primary key in a DB is problematic, and I'm guessing PADI assigns a Psudo Key. Obviously PADI does link based on a name, and that can also be an issue. There are a lot of names that are not unique. They likely use name and other attributes to attempt to correctly link certs to one individual. I guess PADI figures that for students having correct linkage is not all that important. Keep in mind that the majority of...
fire_diver
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Why not a PADI diver number?
Published (2009-09-07 11:38:00)
PADI could salve the problem by just asking for a previous student number on all post OW cert forms. If you don't have one, or don't know it, no problem, but if you do you caould have all your PADI training under one "account" I don't think they want to change this though. The current system allows them to give the impression that every new cert is a new diver. __________________ " At least I know...
Crowley
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Why not a PADI diver number?
Published (2009-09-07 12:27:00)
Your are issued a diver (actually certification) number and it is indeed preserved but since the recreational cards are processed automatically, it depends on certain factors: (1) your name and date of birth is entered exactly the same as prior certifications. Often a middle initial is missed in which case a new number is issued (2) you were cerrtified in the same regional office - PADI have offices that cover specific regions and they act...
Peter Guy
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Why not a PADI diver number?
Published (2009-09-07 12:30:00)
Quote: The current system allows them to give the impression that every new cert is a new diver. This violates one of my rules of bureaucratic behavior -- never attribute a decision to intelligence when it can be explained by ignorance. The most likely explanation was that someone wrote the code years ago and assumed people would always write their name and birthday the same way and it would be easy to search (in case anyone actually wanted...
Walter
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I don't understand why it could possibly matter if PADI issues the same number every time, a different number every time or no numbers at all. __________________ “'It’s the Instructor not the Agency' is a saying promulgated by the inadequate to cover their shortcomings." - Thalassamania "Walter....neither you nor I are very likeable anyway.." - Ana
Rhone Man
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To be fair, PADI is not alone on this... __________________ Rhone Man British Virgin Islands I am a lifelong supporter of Leisurepro - they have done more to make diving accessible than PADI ever has. “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” — Bertrand Russell

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