Please give me a reason besides "England does it."
Is it a moral issue? For most people here, I think they just want universal health care to piss off republicans (people like thepointman). I don't think they really care whether or not people get good medical care.
Because we must all be equal and it is the RESPONSIBILITY of everyone to PROVIDE for everyone that is alive, if those receiving can't contribute, ESPECIALLY if they can't contribute!
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Did the concept of working HARD for what you want/need go out the window when the great one was elected?
(sarcasm) Some people are less fortunate! We should all form a safety net and support them! So send your money to the Government so it can redistribute ...
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Might be a bit confusing.
The Retired Firefighter did not help the Politician and the Doctor when they could not help themselves because the Politician did not help the Doctor to help the Retired Firefighter when he (the Retired Firefighter) could not help himself.
So everyone loses ...
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Originally Posted by open_society
It seems this debate is an individual one, would you, if money was no vice, offer healthcare to everyone...if it was free. the answer is yes. Does everyone deserve healthcare...from a personal level, not a fiscal one, its hard to argue against it.
It is not free, end of ...
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It is not free, end of story.
probably best not to isolate comments out of context, the point was nobody is ideologically against it, so work towards it.
how to pay for it is a minor hurdle against the common ideological given.
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So why is the only solution to force people by the threat of violence to help each other?
What has violence got to do with it, the taxes you pay (if you don't avoid paying taxes) go to police departments, fire departments and other important government institutions that help ...
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Originally Posted by An hero
Please give me a reason besides "England does it."
Is it a moral issue? For most people here, I think they just want universal health care to piss off republicans (people like thepointman). I don't think they really care whether or not people get good medical care.
The ...
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Originally Posted by all pro
The simple answer is.....they aren't. The only entitlements are...........
LIFE-LIBERTY-AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS
the question is; if you cant spell 'pursuit' correctly, are you still entitled to pursue happiness?
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No one is entitled to health care, and here's why:
No one is entitled to another person's services or funds.
/end thread. Rights cannot come at the expense of the rights of others.
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Originally Posted by thepointman
Because it's the civilized thing to do. The same reason I believe people deserve clean water and food and education. And richer nations should be able to provide more of these things to their citizens.
Pissing off Republicans is a bonus.
Now what's the argument AGAINST it beyond "MAH ...
Quote: Originally Posted by psamty Yes. Exactly. Most people fear anarchy, so they will inevitably institute a State. Thank you for a clear answer. Quote: Originally Posted by psamty A State will naturally fill the power vacuum anarchy creates, so the situation of anarchy and freedom will not last long. Anarchy does not create a power vacuum. It never ceases to amaze me that people always think radical change has to happen instantly. It is a...
Quote: Originally Posted by gjohnson5 Strizzel , you clearly need help reading. The very first sentance in your own link says But apparently, the companies he invests in did. According to a new report, companies in which Warren Buffett owns sizable minority stakes received a whopping $95 billion in Troubled Asset Relief funding, as Buffett was shilling for investments in common stocks. Warren Buffet did not receive 95 billion dollars THE...
Quote: Originally Posted by neuralshock Not following. Are you saying people that do not want Anarchy (living without Coercive threat if they disobey) support Coercive action against me when I don't conform? Yes. Exactly. Most people fear anarchy, so they will inevitably institute a State. A State will naturally fill the power vacuum anarchy creates, so the situation of anarchy and freedom will not last long.
Quote: Originally Posted by UberAlles so basically you're asking a question where most people answer's are going to be entirely dominated by demagoguery? you should ask: is universal healthcare a good policy for the united states? That's not what I wanted to know, but thanks anyway.
Quote: Originally Posted by odin673 In the U.S Declaration of Independence, the "inaliienable rights of man" are mentioned. Life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness. Wouldn't you say those are American values? When did greed replace life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Is it not within the government's juristiction to make sure that the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is met? Life...The...
Quote: Originally Posted by neuralshock If you don't think it is fair at all then why do you have a problem with people that are against it? There is a balance and a tipping point somewhere. Call 911, fine. Stop all day every day with no pay at all, probably not fine. I don't know exactly where that tipping point is, but financially, countries with UHC spend LESS than we do here, so I don't think $ is the issue.
Quote: Originally Posted by asylumz Take the politician out of the whole equation. That's how it should be. While the medical industry does help people, it's still a business. And as it stands, is 1/6 of the US economy. The fireman is just as likely to be denied under UHC. http://newsflavor.com/opinions/case-...l-health-care/ I can see it now, the medical industry has a heart and the starting price is $10,000 "can we get a...
Quote: Originally Posted by F2. you're comparing kids(which you voluntarily have) to people you do not even know? seriously?!?!? fcuking seriously?!?!?!? how god damn idiotic are you? people are complaining about UHC for 2 reasons. the government really does not need to control anything more than it does and MOST of the people who will benefit from it are low life scum bags. sure there will be some well deserving people who make an...
Quote: Originally Posted by Stizzel You're giving health care to the have nots by stealing from the haves. Durr. Health care is a commodity, not a right. Healthcare is a necessity.
Quote: Originally Posted by open_society I get all sides of this debate, I understand the tea pary guys, and their want to have small gov and stick to the constitution...................................... ................. ..................... Strong sources you got there. Not going to quote the whole thing. But fortunately, we're a republic not a democracy. This wouldn't have passed if republicans controlled the house, obviously.
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