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Thread: When to shoot.......?

Started 3 months ago by Lee Lapin
For armed citizens, a better standard is ADEE, not AOJ... AOJ is better suited to sworn LEOs. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...2_StudyDay. htm (glossary at http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....5&postcount =10 if needed) lpl
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fiddletown replied 3 months ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Lee Lapin ...For armed citizens, a better standard is ADEE, not AOJ... AOJ is better suited to sworn LEOs... Lee, I basically agree, but I would respectfully suggest that AOJ and ADEE address two different, but related, issues. First, in general (subject to various state-to-state ...

Deanimator replied 3 months ago
Quote: For the private citizen (and without considering if there is or is not a legal duty to retreat), it is strategically best to avoid a violent encounter, disengage from a situation that appears to be leading towards a violent encounter, and escape and evade the assailant. When that is impossible or fails for some reason, AOJ helps establish whether or not lethal ...

fiddletown replied 3 months ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Deanimator AND none of this should incur for the victim an ADDED risk. ...You have NO duty to increase YOUR risk to diminish that of an ASSAILANT. But that is a legal issue and not a strategic one. Note that I specifically wrote that this is without consideration of whether or not there ...

Cosmoline replied 3 months ago
First if all you MUST learn your code on self defense and the carrying of firearms. That's absolutely critical, since ignorance of the law is not going to be an excuse in these kinds of cases. Beyond that, the basic theme, present in all state codes and/or caselaw, is that you are justified in using deadly force in self defense if you are faced with IMMINENT and UNLAWFUL threat of DEADLY ...

lawboy replied 3 months ago
I will pull the trigger when I believe doing so is necessary to continue living.

Kleanbore replied 3 months ago
Quote: First if all you MUST learn your code on self defense and the carrying of firearms. That's absolutely critical, since ignorance of the law is not going to be an excuse in these kinds of cases. Beyond that, the basic theme, present in all state codes and/or caselaw, is that you are justified in using deadly force in self defense if you are faced with ...

Deanimator replied 3 months ago
Quote: The attitudes of some of your family, friends and coworkers toward you may change. You have committed an act of violence on another human being, and this may be difficult to deal with for others with whom you commonly associate. Anybody who would rather I allow myself to be harmed than to defend myself is someone whom for whom I have no ...

EOC_Jason replied 3 months ago
You have to realize the consequences of your actions. You *may* not have any criminal charges brought against you if you did the right thing. However, realize that 99% of the time there will be a CIVIL suit against you (from the family or parents or whomever legally can sue you). *If* the day ever comes when you do shoot someone, you tell the police the following. Nothing more until you have a...

Cosmoline replied 3 months ago
The only safe bet is to avoid making a statement to the police until you have a lawyer. Whatever you do, don't try to operate off a pre-written script. And don't lie about the facts or try to alter the scene. Quote: 2. I told him to stop and not come any closer This is very troublesome. There is no duty to warn in a civilian self defense ...

Deanimator replied 3 months ago
Quote: The only safe bet is to avoid making a statement to the police until you have a lawyer. In the words of Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa, "We have a winner!!!"

 

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Deanimator
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-24 16:05:00)
Quote: The attitudes of some of your family, friends and coworkers toward you may change. You have committed an act of violence on another human being, and this may be difficult to deal with for others with whom you commonly associate. Anybody who would rather I allow myself to be harmed than to defend myself is someone whom for whom I have no respect, and less than no respect for their opinions. I neither need nor want to associate with...
fiddletown
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-24 13:33:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Deanimator AND none of this should incur for the victim an ADDED risk. ...You have NO duty to increase YOUR risk to diminish that of an ASSAILANT. But that is a legal issue and not a strategic one. Note that I specifically wrote that this is without consideration of whether or not there may be a legal duty to retreat. Remember that whether or not it may ultimately be decided that you were justified in using lethal...
Cosmoline
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-24 13:39:00)
First if all you MUST learn your code on self defense and the carrying of firearms. That's absolutely critical, since ignorance of the law is not going to be an excuse in these kinds of cases. Beyond that, the basic theme, present in all state codes and/or caselaw, is that you are justified in using deadly force in self defense if you are faced with IMMINENT and UNLAWFUL threat of DEADLY force. That's the mantra to remember. It must...
Kleanbore
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-24 14:35:00)
Quote: First if all you MUST learn your code on self defense and the carrying of firearms. That's absolutely critical, since ignorance of the law is not going to be an excuse in these kinds of cases. Beyond that, the basic theme, present in all state codes and/or caselaw, is that you are justified in using deadly force in self defense if you are faced with IMMINENT and UNLAWFUL threat of DEADLY force. That's the mantra to remember....
Clarence
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-24 22:22:00)
If you aren't in fear for your life or the life of a loved one...........don't shoot.
Sunray
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-27 03:16:00)
"...When to shoot..." That's why you're required to do a CCW course.
Tacbandit
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-10-01 18:40:00)
Quote: ""...When to shoot..." That's why you're required to do a CCW course." True, Sunray but it's not always about a CCW...And a lot of those courses don't teach very much about it, other than the "politically correct" required statement...Herd 'em in, herd 'em out..get the next class in...collect the dollar, etc...Minimal training, at best...Tennessee had...
mljdeckard
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Published (2009-10-01 18:58:00)
Most state laws permit the use of deadly force to prevent serious bodily injury or death, or to prevent a violent felony from happening. And understand: Just because YOU think it's justified at a given moment in time does NOT mean that the D.A. or jury will armchair quarterback it the same way AFTER the fact. Even if you can't reasonably be expected to think through all of the legal ramifications while you are fighting for your...
Lee Lapin
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When to shoot.......?
Published (2009-09-24 07:05:00)
For armed citizens, a better standard is ADEE, not AOJ... AOJ is better suited to sworn LEOs. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...2_StudyDay.htm (glossary at http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....5&postcount=10 if needed) lpl
Water Garden
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Published (2009-10-01 20:28:00)
I dont over think anything... I keep it simple so that decision are made simply. I will shoot when I feel that failure to do so will result in my immediate *harm. *harm (very serious injury)

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