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Thread: When it Comes to Marriage, Let the Religious Right Have It

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Omaha Steve
http://sdgln.com/social/2009/11/04/when-it-comes-m arria... Why we should not just wait to go back to the ballot, but get out of the marriage fight altogether Arlon Jay Staggs | Wed, 11/04/2009 - 9:54am In Maine, we have lost another heartbreaking ballot initiative and we will soon hear the “re-activists” from countless marriage equality organizations saying they ...
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PDJane replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
make all marriages civil marriages. The civil marriage becomes marriage for everyone, the religious marriage becomes an expensive option, and the whole argument becomes irrelevant.

bluestateguy replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Marriage is more than a title. There are specific legal and economic benefits that come with this contract, and to deprive gays of that is effectively saying that we regard their relationships as second class to heterosexual unions.

gleaner replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
want to make a public announcement of their intention to spend their lives together, and that is why marriage is important to them. I've been married for 35 years and I am a straight woman, but I completely support the right of people who are not in an incestuous relationship to marry whether they are straight or gay. I have known many straight couples who live together and never marry and ...

ProgressiveProfessor replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
It has to be Federal and universal for that to work.

ProgressiveProfessor replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
That leaves the term "marriage" to the religious for now...

PDJane replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Toasterlad replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 10:54 PM by Toasterlad I'd just like to know how many more homos and allies are going to be foisting this wrong-headed, defeatist fairy tale so I know how much Excedrin I have to buy. If you could all just check in to give me a rough guess, I'd appreciate it. While you're doing that, maybe you can explain to me why we didn't have to change the name marriage when...

Toasterlad replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Whether you make civil unions that standard for all is irrelevant. Changing the definition of marriage for bigoted reasaons is bigotry. Very fucking simple.

ShadowLiberal replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I think the writer misses the point, think back to some of the big victories that African Americans won that were considered landmark successes for them, like Brown vs Board of Education, and the 1964 civil rights act. Sure those victories for blacks helped them win some equality, but it didn't erase the racism right away, there was lots of resistance to these victories in some parts of America...

Toasterlad replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I'd suggest you do a little more research on marriage: it predates christianity by a long while. And as I said, what we view societally as "traditional marriage" is not that old. Prior to the 20th century, marriages were much more about division of property, with the woman considered to be among that property. I'd love to see religion dumped from society. However, as I've explained to you, ...

 

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Toasterlad
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Try here for starters: http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/history... While there has been a religious influence on marriage in the United States from its inception, marriage itself was and always has been a civil term, here.
ProgressiveProfessor
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Yes men and women have had bonded relationships since the begining of time, but in the US, marriage has always been religeouis first. Smae with Europe since the advent of Christendom. YOu comments about prior to the 20th century is just not true. Also remember that peasants married as well as nobles. I agree that Federal recognition is the key
sui generis
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David Zephyr
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But keep in mind the election in Washington State. That was a good thing. On the other hand, I'm probably more of a purist than you know (my friends think so anyway), but I admire you and want you to remember that we've made a lot of progress since 1969 and it's taken all of us. One of the greatest things that ever happened to our community, in my little opinion based on having lived through it, was watching how our lesbian...
PDJane
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ThomCat
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Those meanings are specific, and very specifically exclusive. Have you ever worked in a professional setting where you had to reconcile the conflicts between similar but different versions of anything? Seriously, have you ever had to do any real work that has any bearing on what you are announcing here as if you know what you are saying? I have had to reconcile contract language where we had similar but different versions, and it is a...
Omaha Steve
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http://sdgln.com/social/2009/11/04/when-it-comes-marria... Why we should not just wait to go back to the ballot, but get out of the marriage fight altogether Arlon Jay Staggs | Wed, 11/04/2009 - 9:54am In Maine, we have lost another heartbreaking ballot initiative and we will soon hear the “re-activists” from countless marriage equality organizations saying they are out to “change hearts and minds.” They want your money and support to...
bluestateguy
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Marriage is more than a title. There are specific legal and economic benefits that come with this contract, and to deprive gays of that is effectively saying that we regard their relationships as second class to heterosexual unions.
gleaner
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want to make a public announcement of their intention to spend their lives together, and that is why marriage is important to them. I've been married for 35 years and I am a straight woman, but I completely support the right of people who are not in an incestuous relationship to marry whether they are straight or gay. I have known many straight couples who live together and never marry and that is fine with them, but we should all have...
ShadowLiberal
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I think the writer misses the point, think back to some of the big victories that African Americans won that were considered landmark successes for them, like Brown vs Board of Education, and the 1964 civil rights act. Sure those victories for blacks helped them win some equality, but it didn't erase the racism right away, there was lots of resistance to these victories in some parts of America where racism was still strong. Some states...

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