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Thread: Wendy made me do it.

Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Pariseur
I have been posting recently on the real estate (REIT) board and Wendy kindly asked me to post over here. I mention it so you won’t think I lay claim to macro economic expertise, which I don’t. I had been wondering about the general effects on our economic recovery we ought to expect as the troubles in the commercial real estate industry ripple through the financial world generally. ...
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qazulight replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Very good. First this is METAR, we expect long posts Second, my take is that we will see auctions, but if you are looking to buy, the quality real estate will be gone before then. A well run RIET with money may be a good buy, even one that is apparently over priced. PCL comes to mind. In Houston in the 80's, the poorly built poorly located houses were sold for 15,000 dollars a piece...

WendyBG replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
<My forecast is simple, for the next two years, maybe more, this will be a stinking mess and no one knows how to solve it sooner. “Pretend and extend” will be the policy for a lot of banks waiting for things to improve, mostly they probably will eventually, but the special servicers may feel they have no easy choice but to go by the book and hold real auctions, come what may to avoid ...

qazulight replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
The says: http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=UYG&p=DAILY&b=5&a mp... Banks are toast. But a banking crisis in 2010 would impact every Macro factor, similar to the 2008-2009 crisis. If we get a roll over in banks, and a continuation of the conflagration of disinflation, we we will we see much lower lows on the indexs. We are all ready seeing the S&P 500 breakdown. It has been ...

Pariseur replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
The big well financed REITs will buy the larger and better properties but they won't have much interest in the smaller ones. The commercial banks (regionals and smaller) seem to have had a disproportionate concentration on under-leased, still in development neighborhood shopping centers and suburban office properties, the prospects for neither look good in the medium term. The big REIT...

DoctorOptimist replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
A failure here tells me we are in 1930, not 1977. The charts from the 1930's tell me that the March lows will get taken out. I would like to be sanguine. I am not. While I am still hopeful that the banking sector can at least stabilize and the rest of the economy can move along, I fear that if it does not, there will be a very very bad time ahead. the economy of the 1930's was still...

qazulight replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
I can't figure out if we'll have it better or worse than in the 1930's, but I guarantee it will be different somehow. History never does the same thing the same way twice. I can't figure out if we are going into the 30's halfway through the 30's are maybe we are in the70's....I still think we may get inflation, wage inflation, trick up inflation. AHH inflation, just the sound of it ...

DoctorOptimist replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Inflation is our friend. Inflation doesn't really fix anything It is just another financial shenanigan, a distant cousin of the financial leverage games we've been playing for years Inflation won't put food on our table. It will just shuffle things up a bit as to who gets how much food.

qazulight replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Inflation doesn't really fix anything Inflation allows the banks and the homeowners to inflate their way out of negative equity. It also allows us to pay back the dollars we borrowed at a lower value. (It is my belief that we haven't stolen anything as the lender, our trading partners, had artificially made the dollar strong anyway.) Failure to revalue real estate destroys the banking...

DoctorOptimist replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
A failure there would be just as devastating as a failure of the central government. if it is that vital, then it doesn't sound like we should allow bank ownership to reside in private hands

SuisseBear replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Welcome and thank you for that great contribution. It fits well into the prevailing mood over here ;-) My forecast is simple, for the next two years, maybe more, this will be a stinking mess and no one knows how to solve it sooner. “Pretend and extend” will be the policy for a lot of banks waiting for things to improve, mostly they probably will eventually, but the special servicers ...

 

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Pariseur
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user's latest post:
Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-31 23:21:00)
The &quot;new&quot; business the really big banks are into, notably but by no means exclusively Goldman, is making very wide margins on investing in the fairly high risk, presently unregulated derivative transaction business. The banks are now able to do this with a base of funds which comes from Federal guarantees to otherwise regulated institutions and access to Fed Funds at very cheap rates. The &quot;old&quot; businesses...
qazulight
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-30 19:12:00)
Inflation doesn't really fix anything Inflation allows the banks and the homeowners to inflate their way out of negative equity. It also allows us to pay back the dollars we borrowed at a lower value. (It is my belief that we haven't stolen anything as the lender, our trading partners, had artificially made the dollar strong anyway.) Failure to revalue real estate destroys the banking industry. I am not talking figuratively, I mean...
DoctorOptimist
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-30 20:19:00)
A failure there would be just as devastating as a failure of the central government. if it is that vital, then it doesn't sound like we should allow bank ownership to reside in private hands
WendyBG
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-30 17:34:00)
&lt;My forecast is simple, for the next two years, maybe more, this will be a stinking mess and no one knows how to solve it sooner. “Pretend and extend” will be the policy for a lot of banks waiting for things to improve, mostly they probably will eventually, but the special servicers may feel they have no easy choice but to go by the book and hold real auctions, come what may to avoid being sued themselves.&gt; Japan went the...
SuisseBear
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-30 22:02:00)
Welcome and thank you for that great contribution. It fits well into the prevailing mood over here ;-) My forecast is simple, for the next two years, maybe more, this will be a stinking mess and no one knows how to solve it sooner. “Pretend and extend” will be the policy for a lot of banks waiting for things to improve, mostly they probably will eventually, but the special servicers may feel they have no easy choice but to go by the book...
Watty56
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-30 22:09:00)
When looking at REITs it is important to remember that the REIT Modernization Act of 1999 that went into effect in 2001 changed the rules so that REITs could operate companies in the property that they own. Greg
missash
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-31 08:32:00)
I dunno why, but my screen says.....&quot;dispose of the best asses&quot; and it sort of made sense.
inparadise
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-31 09:26:00)
Missash, I didn't say it didn't make sense. I didn't even say I don't agree with it. What I do say is it wasn't what I intended to type. Pariseur Freudian slip? ;-) IP
SteadyAim
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-31 13:27:00)
Federally insured banks and S&amp;Ls hold about another $3.05 Trillion in real estate loans, REO, etc. They have about 14.05 Trillion in assets and only $1.16 T in net capital. It’s not too hard to think 25% of the loans will hit default and recovery may be 50 cents on the dollar or even less. On the upside (if there is one), there was an interesting article in the FT a few weeks ago on the underlying profits being made in the banking...
leoline
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Wendy made me do it.
Published (2009-10-31 19:49:00)
We may well be the British of the 1930's. Their depression ended when Germany bombed London into rubble. ============== Acutally, Britain did pretty well in the 1930s, compared to Germany and the US. Britain didn't have a bad Depression. They'll have a worse time now. I fear in 5 years time, Britain will be full of civil unrest.

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