Thread: Was William T. Sherman an average at best battlefield commander?
Started 3 months, 2 weeks ago by CTS 2631
Shiloh? Chickasaw bluffs? Jackson? Tunnel hill? Atlanta Campaign? No great battlefield performance sticks out..... He understood that the South needed to suffer to make sure that the will to fight was extinguished but the record shows more of a raider and ravager than a great combat leader.
In reply to your original post, CTS 2361, I would agree that Sherman might not rank among the great commanders of all history, but he should be credited for being the right man for the job he had to do. He strikes me as competent officer who did what he knew had to be done. That might not qualify him as a "great combat leader", but then most commanders don't qualify as "great." Sherman...
CTS 2361- Even though he disregarded evidence of the enemy's approach Sherman's battlefield performance at Shiloh after he was engaged was highly regarded then and it still is now- it wasn't Thomas' performance at Chickamauga but it was good enough to place Sherman in a higher catagory than average at the time- his star was on the rise at the time with his c.o. Halleck. I am assuming you ...
"Also, rightly or wrongly (and sadly for all of us, it's "wrongly" IMO) Sherman pioneered total war, war against the entire nation of the enemy rather than simply his armed forces." Actually, I believe that you need to give most of the credit to the Persians, Visigoths, and Golden Horde [among many others] for this. "Total War" was a well-used methodology long before Sherman was born.
Actually, did Sherman wage literal total war? Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought total war invovled wholesale destruction and slaughter of civilians? Granted, he burned and pillaged, and I know people in Georgia who hate him to this day, but did he actually kill the civilians whose land he burned?
Fellows, check the Wikipedia entry for total war. Yes, it had been practiced for centuries -- but Sherman is considered one of the first to consciously use it as a strategy. Not that the Wik article is necessarily correct, or the last word, but it does conform with the impression I had. Maybe Sherman has an undeserved reputation as a pioneer of total war, but he seems to have stood out ...
"Yes, it had been practiced for centuries -- but Sherman is considered one of the first to consciously use it as a strategy." Considered by whom? So, the piling up of mounds of decapitated heads to terrorize the next fortified town, flinging diseased carcasses over walls or into wells, or salting the earth of defeated enemies are not strategies? Personally, I don't allow my students to ...
Without going into any great detail, Sherman was not a great military tactician. However he did understand that a "total war" approach within the heart of the Confederacy in late 1864 would be the quickest way to bring an end to the war. If that is "genius" then he was great, if it was "brutality",then he was a realist...............
Joe Hill, First -- nice handle. Your points are well taken. I 'fess up here and now to shallow thinking and being a sucker for the Southern apologism (?) which long dominated our history -- and still survives in niches like this one. I'm thinking now that Sherman "took the hit", in the shallow version of history, for total war because a) Americans aren't supposed to do such things to ...
Agreed 100 percent. The targeted killing of civilians under Sherman was never tolerated in the ranks, and rarely happened. I have seen a few revisionists make similar claims, with no solid evidence of course. If anything, those employed by the rebel armies such as Forrest and Quantrill, freely used mass murder that made Sherman look like Mickey Mouse. Stewart must be one of those "lost cause" comedians.
Lee's Pennsylvania campaign (resulting in Gettysburg) would have been successful had he actually done what he set out to do. But due to many circumstances (including his own ego), he lost the campaign. Had he listened to Longstreet, and had moved to higher ground and taken an entrenched defensive stance, he would have won the war. Longstreet, had he been in command, would have done this.
Good post and great linkage to the "dropping A-bombs on Hiroshima" thread. It is also worth noting that Jeff Davis and other Southern leaders had encouraged the people in Georgia and such to adopt scorched earth policies to slow Sherman's advance, so they can hardly complain about scorched earth.
Betty I am also a vet (only 6 years and one war '91) and I can say seeing the battlefield from the cupola of a tank (as I did) and from the command post are really two different animals as well. I, like you, don't care much for Monday morning quarterbacking by amateurs and historians, but there is something to be learned. Everything could have been done better. In the chaos of battle, such is always the case. It is rather like...
Smallchief I think this is an interesting thread. I do disagree with this: "Generals go down in history for bold and spectacular victories -- which are often worthless in deciding a war." Alexander: Gaugamela, decisive victory of the Macedonians caused an immediate collapse of the Persian Empire; Caesar: Pharsulus, destroys the Army of Pompey ending the Civil War Any of a dozen battles fought by Gehngis Khan, Subotai, or...
Curtis Allred- You make alot of good points but I think that if the south had had a Lee, Jackson or a Longstreet in the western theater things would have gone alot better for them. Lee took risks because he had too- southern victories were needed politically for the purpose of foreign recognition- that was the purpose of what became the Antiteam campaign. The campaign that became the Gettysburg campaign was really more of a raid than an...
Thank you for your service! 20plus Marine Corps Infantry veteran myself. Kinda ashamed of myself for posting such a rude comment as I did - but there are many out there who judge the conduct of battle solely on what they read and have no real life experience to factor in to their opinions on the actions of those who have "seen the elephant". My apologies to any I may have offended but just the same please remember that...
I agree..Sometimes the best commanders are the ones who get the job done. No fancy tactics or great heroics...Just what are known in hockey slang as the "Grinders", the guys who get into the corners and do what is needed as that moment..
DMB, Please cite the sources for your claim that there was "slaughter of civilians". The destruction primarily involved government and military buildings and installations. As J. Henderson points out, if Southern forces resisted, and were assisted by local civilians, their houses went up too. Methinks you don't know what you're talking about.
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