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Thread: WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by buildyourown
How thick are those stays? My method looks almost identical which I ripped off of Garro. Check the link to my blog in my sig. I can't link to pics. Anyways, I did 5/8" x .035 with ease to at least 25 deg. Cold. The only thing that I may have done different was that my tool as alum and a perfect fit. If your MDF slot was oversized, then it would only be hitting on the edge of the ...
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rbrstr replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
The reason the tube crushed that way is because there is no support inside the tube. you are trying to stretch the skin on the outside of the bend whilst shrinking the skin on the inside of the bend all at the same time, something quite literally has to give In the absence of a tube bender or a mandrel, filling the tube with sand is an excellent way of doing this. we have a cnc tube ...

zipzit replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I sometimes wonder if less is more.. er... not so fancy. I remember seeing this very simple jig for an S-bend chainstay. I noticed it on the very impressive Wolfhound Cycles 29er split wishbone build (Customer = Jay Carpenter) See http://wolfhoundcycles.blogspot.com/...ers-build.h tml Comment from the blog: Quote: It has taken many attempts and a ...

Walt replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I don't freeze, fill with sand, or otherwise support the insides of seatstays in any way when I bend them. Never had a problem with denting or wrinkling them. I think it's more about doing a reasonable radius bend and having all the contact points (mandrel/cradles/rollers/whatever) fit the stay well. Sand or ice can probably help you if you've got some problems in those areas, though. -Walt...

rocwandrer replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I do my small diameter tubing bends with old double walled rim wheels. I have a 406 (~7.5" radius), 559 (~10" radius) and 622 (~11" radius). I just hose clamp the tube to the rim, place the tube on the ground, put my weight on the top of the wheel, and roll the wheel onto the tube. Starts and stops don't show this way like they do with some other simple methods, so you can fine tune the bend ...

shiggy replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by zipzit I sometimes wonder if less is more.. er... not so fancy. I remember seeing this very simple jig for an S-bend chainstay. I noticed it on the very impressive Wolfhound Cycles 29er split wishbone build (Customer = Jay Carpenter) See http://wolfhoundcycles.blogspot.com/...ers-build.h tml Comment from the blog...

shiggy replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by rocwandrer I do my small diameter tubing bends with old double walled rim wheels. I have a 406 (~7.5" radius), 559 (~10" radius) and 622 (~11" radius). I just hose clamp the tube to the rim, place the tube on the ground, put my weight on the top of the wheel, and roll the wheel onto the tube. Starts and stops don't show this ...

Hubcap Cycles replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Here is a picture of the bender that I made to do stays. I wanted it to be repeatable, so there is an adjustable stop for the hydraulic ram and a stop for length. Most of the top dies have a 4 inch radius and the bottom dies pivot. There is also a die spring under the bottom dies to give back pressure,(I'm still trying to decide if the spring makes a difference). No problem bending .028. ...

edoz replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Speaking of Garro's ideas, he told me about shoving a bunch of brass rod inside the tube to provide inside support. Works like a charm, but if you're doing tig you may not have any on hand.

jay_ntwr replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by edoz Speaking of Garro's ideas, he told me about shoving a bunch of brass rod inside the tube to provide inside support. Works like a charm, but if you're doing tig you may not have any on hand. Eric, yeah, I've had a few folks tell me that and of course, I don't have any brass rod. I know it's cheap, ...

 

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jay_ntwr
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-19 10:54:00)
I had a couple of hours this weekend, so I dragged out all the WWing stuff and made a new bender: The posts are 7/8 x 0.035 4130 that I had laying around. This worked way better than the last one as the pushers can pivot. The mandrel (not pictured) was supposed to be 8" radius but after sanding it on the belt sander (the band saw made a mess out of the MDF, I should have changed blades but was lazy) then it ended up being more like a...
shiggy
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-04 10:09:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by zipzit I sometimes wonder if less is more.. er... not so fancy. I remember seeing this very simple jig for an S-bend chainstay. I noticed it on the very impressive Wolfhound Cycles 29er split wishbone build (Customer = Jay Carpenter) See http://wolfhoundcycles.blogspot.com/...ers-build.html Comment from the blog: [font=Verdana] Photo of chainstay bender is at http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cRA2LWYSP8...s1600-h/33.jpg...
rocwandrer
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-13 18:16:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by pvd Fill the whole stay. Cap with electrical tape (best I've found) and freeze it solid. The colder the better. Give it plenty of time, semi solid is not good at all. You have to work quick. Handle the stay with a rag to avoid heating it up any. Have all your markings in place ahead of time so you go from freezer to bend as quick as you can. I've only had one stay split. It's a good thing when it...
buildyourown
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-17 19:38:00)
Hydraulic tubing is a lot softer than and more ductile than Cro-moly. It is also much heavier wall. .049 is a lot different than 3/4" x .035.
DWF
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-18 10:54:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by pvd The bike I'm working on right now will hopefully have a double bent ovalized stay around the chainring and tire using a 4" radius. 5.25" radius was too big to make the design come together. In general, I prefer tighter bends to lazy bends. I'm bending out of need rather than astetics and I need all the space I can get usually. I just haven't had that problem. On a 29er, unless I do a...
NorseRider
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-18 10:54:00)
I've been looking at this one going at ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT - But was thinking that I could as well just make one myself based on the same design but with an adjustable following die that kept the tube close to the mandrel, then Steven (Shand) showed me this: http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/pipe/index.html So when I have time I will make something like the latter from scrap in the shop. Truls
Schmitty
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-17 19:38:00)
You gotta know there's about 20 more products you could sell the hell out of......what a tease. -Schmitty-
pvd
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-18 10:54:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by DWF In my experience, it is very rare in bike building that you need a radius smaller than 11". The bike I'm working on right now will hopefully have a double bent ovalized stay around the chainring and tire using a 4" radius. 5.25" radius was too big to make the design come together. In general, I prefer tighter bends to lazy bends. I'm bending out of need rather than astetics and I need...
rbrstr
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-03 19:56:00)
The reason the tube crushed that way is because there is no support inside the tube. you are trying to stretch the skin on the outside of the bend whilst shrinking the skin on the inside of the bend all at the same time, something quite literally has to give In the absence of a tube bender or a mandrel, filling the tube with sand is an excellent way of doing this. we have a cnc tube bender here and i still use sand bending sometimes for one...
zipzit
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WWTP028: Seat Stay Bending
Published (2009-11-03 19:56:00)
I sometimes wonder if less is more.. er... not so fancy. I remember seeing this very simple jig for an S-bend chainstay. I noticed it on the very impressive Wolfhound Cycles 29er split wishbone build (Customer = Jay Carpenter) See http://wolfhoundcycles.blogspot.com/...ers-build.html Comment from the blog: Quote: It has taken many attempts and a lot of sacrificed material to develop these chainstay forms, even though they look pretty cowboy,...

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