I can see more similarities and contrasting aspects between Shadow Of a Doubt and Psycho than I can between uncle Charlie and Norman, EC. Each film has a journeying major character, uncle Charlie from back east, Marion from Phoenix. Charlie goes west to visit his family, already a murderer; Marion journeys to California and then gets murdered. Families, law enforcement officials and ...
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Started 3 months, 4 weeks ago by ecarle
Uncle Charlie(to Young Charlie):
You live in a dream. You're a sleepwalker, blind. How do you know what the world is like? Do you know the world is a foul sty? Do you know, if you rip off the fronts of houses, you'd find swine? The world's a hell. What does it matter what happens in it? Wake up, Charlie. Use your wits. Learn something.
Norman Bates(to Marion Crane):
People never run ...
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telegonus replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
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curlywurly32 replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Isn't the hope at the end of Psycho the fact that Norman Bates has been stopped, that the risk he poses has been eliminated. His capture means that there will be no more unfortunate 'Marions' making the mistake of checking into the Bates Motel (well if you discount the IMHO silly sequels) and so the end of the film represents the return to some kind of order.
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ecarle replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm with you, curlywurly, that Norman's capture represents the return to some kind of order.
You have the shrink saying that Norman will be Mother "probably, for all time," and critic Robin Wood says that Norman's final state is one of "eternal damnation." In the context of 1960 films, I don't think people were thinking in "Halloween" terms yet: Norman would not be escaping the asylum. (...
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telegonus replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
As to the cast of Shadow Of a Doubt , EC, it oozed "prestige", remarkably for a Universal picture of its day. As to Joseph Cotten, he was or appeared to be a major star in the making around that time. His association with Orson Welles had elevated him, and then Selznick signed him on. Cotten was, when Shadow was in production, in a position comparable to Damon and Affleck right after Good ...
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ecarle replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Pick and choose, so much good here:
The "pastoral" locales bring to mind that Hitchcock in three sequential films -- NBNW, Psycho, and The Birds -- began his tales in a big city (New York, Phoenix, San Francisco) and then had the protagonist travel "into the wide open spaces" of America beyond those cities.
Sophisticated urbanite Roger Thornhill famously ends up in the middle of an Indiana ...
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ecarle replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I wanted to bring this in earlier, but there was no "right place."
I've posted above that "Psycho" screenwriter Joseph Stefano was told to watch a lot of HItchcock films in Hitchcock's screening room before writing "Psycho"(WITH Hitchcock.)
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Evidently, Hitchcock tried this on a later writer who didn't appreciate the crash course in Hitchcock at all.
It was Leon Uris, the notable ...
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telegonus replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Thanks for the lengthy response, EC, I just watched a Hitchcock TV hour, Beyond the Sea Of Death , not directed by him but excellent none the less, and featuring Diana Hyland and Mildred Dunnock in the leading roles. Like most outstanding anthology series of its era the episodes play like short (but not B) movies, and are in some cases as good as many of the A pictures made during the same ...
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ecarle replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I figured you'd have the "down low" on Universal's A/B status, and I was not disappointed.
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Charles Boyer? You know, Bernard Herrmann said he felt that "Vertigo" should have been set in New Orleans, and starred Charles Boyer.
DePalma consequently used New Orleans for his "Vertigo" remake(of sorts): Obsession. And he used Bernard Herrmann. Alas, Boyer was either too old, or dead(I ...
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telegonus replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago
The Universal stuff I know inside/out, EC. Not sure why. Old movie buffs tend to be like this. I do find it a bit unusual for Hitchcock to have worked for Uni in 1942-43, when he was still a Selznick contractee; and knowing of Selznick's famous snobbery it seems a bit odd to me that David O. would have let Hitchcock go to that particular studio. Hitchcock was a valuable property, had helmed the ...
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ecarle replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Arthur O'Connell was a nice man and a fine actor, but this didn't make him appropriate casting for a Hitchcock film.
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Yes, I expect that Hitchocck ,working as he did in the thriller genre, had to "pass" on any number of actorly types who just didn't fit his films.
For instance, it occurs to me that O'Connell COULD have played Mr. Lowery, or California Charlie, or even a version of ...
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