I wasn't sure whether to post this in the DS9 subforum or here, but I decided to post it here because it concerns the politics of Federation and Star Trek in general.
In DS9, we found out that one of the Federation ships used in the Dominion War was called USS Cortez . If there is any doubt if this is really a reference to the Spanish conquistador Hernan Cortes, there is also another ship...
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Originally Posted by Myasishchev
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Originally Posted by DevilEyes
I find it especially ironic because so much of DS9 was about Cardassian Occupation of Bajor, which works as a pretty good analogy to colonialism (better, IMO, than those Nazi analogies everyone seems ...
Dude, there have been and will be more than one person with the name Cortez.
There's plenty of centuries between now and then for the swellest guy alive, who made peace with the Gorn and some other alien jerks and shoots flowers out of his butt to be named Cortez.
The OP makes some good points.
However,
I imagine that you can pick any historical name for a ship in ST and someone is gonna be offended by it. Anyone who is a hero to some is inevitably a villain to others.
Interesting question, DevilEyes . There are lots of places named Cortez. Many/most of them in the New World were presumably named for Hernando Cortez, but I doubt if everything named Cortez was. It's not that uncommon of a name. A quick Google search turns up lots of other Cortezes.
I never really thought about it, but if I had, I would have assumed that the ship was named after the Sea of ...
It's one of two things, in my personal opinion: a different Cortez (certainly possible if we did not hear that the ship is the HERNANDO Cortez), or it's one of those cases where a terrestrial ship name is being carried forward out of tradition. In the latter case, I don't like it personally, but they may be carrying the name forward out of nautical tradition the way the name Enterprise carried ...
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I imagine that you can pick any historical name for a ship in ST and someone is gonna be offended by it. Anyone who is a hero to some is inevitably a villain to others.
This is true, but there should be at least a reasonable standard involved, with a little common sense. Most...
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Originally Posted by captcalhoun
the USS Cortez is named after Marco Cortez, Captain Discovery NX-04.
Source?
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Originally Posted by Herkimer Jitty
Dude, there have been and will be more than one person with the name Cortez.
There's ...
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