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Thread: The only contrived thing about the plot was...

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Binkconn
Ripley learns soon after she is awakened from hypersleep that colonists have been living on LV-426 (the planet where they pick up the Alien in the first movie) for twenty years, with no problems. Then, a few weeks later, after she's cut her hair and become a dock loader, the company suddenly loses contact with LV-426, they need her to guide the Marines there, etc. I wish they had come up ...
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fineco replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Burke, the "Company Guy", requested members of the colony to investigate previously unexplored areas of the planet. He did this AFTER Ripley was rescued but before Burke and Gorman requested her assistance. In those few weeks things got crazy on the planet.

Scorch_Rao-El replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Once Burke learned of the alien, he had the same reaction as the original company leaders that sent the Nostromo out there in the first place. Bring back life form. Crew Expendable. All other priorities rescinded. Some people choose the Stupid Side of the Force

weyland-426 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Holy Coincidence, Batman...did the OP seriously think this was just fate or something? Purty funny, hooah?

captainbryce replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Ripley learns soon after she is awakened from hypersleep that colonists have been living on LV-426 (the planet where they pick up the Alien in the first movie) for twenty years, with no problems. Then, a few weeks later, after she's cut her hair and become a dock loader, the company suddenly loses contact with LV-426, they need her to guide the Marines there, etc. That's not really ...

Binkconn replied 1 month, 1 week ago
CaptainBryce did raise a plot point I didn't get the first (few dozen) times around, but it in turn raises the question, if Burke intentionally sent that family to their deaths (or at to least impregnate them with aliens to bring back to earth), why would he get in touch with Ripley to lead an expedition down there (ESPECIALLY knowing how much she hates the aliens AND after promising her they're ...

adamshmoo replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I don't think Burke sent the Jordans there to get them impregnated. I think he sent them to verify if the alien ship and the eggs actually existed. The Jordans went inside and the father got impregnated. This was probably because Burke didn't warn them about the dangers of going inside. If he had, they probably wouldn't have gone. He told them to check a map reference and report back. It's also ...

captainbryce replied 1 month, 1 week ago
CaptainBryce did raise a plot point I didn't get the first (few dozen) times around, but it in turn raises the question, if Burke intentionally sent that family to their deaths (or at to least impregnate them with aliens to bring back to earth), why would he get in touch with Ripley to lead an expedition down there (ESPECIALLY knowing how much she hates the aliens AND after promising her ...

greatwhiteapeofbarsoom replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Of course you know in over twenty years on that planetoid, no one from survey teams on would ever have come across the ship on his own. Absolutely no way.

the_bamboo_spear replied 1 month, 1 week ago
That's my only problem with it. Newt's family couldn't have been TOO far out there, definately no more than 10 hours or so drive, or there's NO way they would have brought their kids. So, driving very slowly in that tank for a few hours? The Derelict couldn't have been very far from the complex. You would have thought WY would have surveyed the area from orbit, and at least known what was around ...

captainbryce replied 1 month, 1 week ago
You would have thought WY would have surveyed the area from orbit, and at least known what was around the atmospheric processor within a few hundred miles. Now this I'm willing to admit is a litte bit of a plot-hole. Any planet worth terraforming for colonization should at least be surveyed to see if there is life on the planet. A derelict alien spacecraft a hundred miles away from your base...

 

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It seems unlikely the colony being set up was some kind of conspiracy to get their hands on the alien. Its pretty clear that for whatever reason the derelict and the signal were not followed up on after the events in Alien. If the Company knew about the eggs and desperately wanted them for bioweapons (or whatever), they would have sent a special capture team like they did at the end of Alien 3. The last thing you would do is send 167 random...
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Hello Captain - Neither of these points are plot holes, as they dont affect the plot. You can say it seems strange that no one discovered the ship for 20 years, but it could still happen. At most it is strange...but doesnt contradict the plot, therefore not a plot hole. We dont know the way things work out there, maybe thy dont explore much outside a certain perimeter. What we do know is they found the ship after being given the co-ordinates,...
greatwhiteapeofbarsoom
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Proof please, nasor?
jerryseven2
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That's a good point. We know for a fact WY wanted an alien specimen in both A1 and A3. Now it may have been just a small powerful elite few within WY (as what they were planning humans expendable,transporting dangerous organisms) would clearly be illegal. Burke may have been a progeny of this group, maybe an older family member or mentor was involved in the A1-Ash secret order project. We do know Burke had the power to send someone to...
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"I will also state that it's an area of weak storytelling if it requires us to "reach" that much just to figure out exactly what happened. No it's not central to the storytelling and it's just curiosity for the sake of curiosity, but some attempt at an explanation would have been nice. " I can see that. It is a weak part of the story, especially if you dont see the special edition which adds a...
Binkconn
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CaptainBryce did raise a plot point I didn't get the first (few dozen) times around, but it in turn raises the question, if Burke intentionally sent that family to their deaths (or at to least impregnate them with aliens to bring back to earth), why would he get in touch with Ripley to lead an expedition down there (ESPECIALLY knowing how much she hates the aliens AND after promising her they're going there "to destroy them,...
nasor
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Who said I have proof? I said there's a chance . It's one possible explanation that would fit with what we know about the nature of 'the company.' It's certainly made clear that the company has corrupt/uncaring/foolish managers.
philbrowna
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The problem with your assumption though is that it is exactly that, an assumption. What basis do you use for assuming that the SJ ship is within 100-200 miles? It may well have been, but a 200 mile radius still leaves a large amount of land so by no means makes it certain that the ship would have previously been found. Furthermore, there is no solid time frame for a gestation of an alien. It has been theorised that the time varies depending...
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"Also, if it were really far away, then why wouldn't they simply take the "flying shuttle" or whatever to get there in the first place?" Why would they risk their emergency vehicle for some routine exploration? You don't see hospital helicopters being used for mining surveys.
fineco
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Burke, the "Company Guy", requested members of the colony to investigate previously unexplored areas of the planet. He did this AFTER Ripley was rescued but before Burke and Gorman requested her assistance. In those few weeks things got crazy on the planet.

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