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Thread: The Roots of German Expressionism and Beyond

Started 3 years ago by gubbelsj
Have there been any attempts to restore the reputation of Robert Wiene, perhaps not as the Father of German Expressionism, which would admittedly be a tough argument to make, but as a stronger presence in general? Lotte Eisner made very clear she considered him a "second-rate director" who happened to be in the right place at the right time, and generally rode the GE bandwagon into history. She...
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zedz replied 3 years ago
gubbelsj wrote: But I'm struck by the fact that it was Fritz Lang, not Wiene, who insisted on framing Caligari with a paranoid delusional explanation, thereby muting some of the film's narrative and psychological experimentation. I believe this is disputed, and that the genuine origin of the framing story (and even when the idea was developed) is lost in ...

HerrSchreck replied 3 years ago
Typical Langian ex-post-facto editorialization. I think it's a safe bet that the idea was Erich Pommer's. Mayer and Janowitz-- Janowitz in particular-- engage in a bit of ex post facto spinning themselves. Janowitz alleged that he was responsible for the specific look of the art direction, i e the specific seed idea for such warped visuals, literally "walking around in 2-dimensional paintings",...

gubbelsj replied 3 years ago
While apparently running anywhere from $66 to $80 from US retailers, there is a book out there called Beyond Caligari: The Films of Robert Wiene by Uli Jung and Walter Schatzberg that might be interesting. Published by Berghahn Books , and somewhat cheaper from their site. I'll probably try libraries first. It would indeed be great for films like Orlacs hande , Raskolnikov and I....

lubitsch replied 3 years ago
gubbelsj wrote: It would indeed be great for films like Orlacs hande , Raskolnikov and I.N.R.I. to receive a proper release - it is hard to restore a reputation without much evidence. Schreck, in what format did you view Orlacs Hande and Raskolnikov ? ORLACS HÄNDE is fully restored and ran on German television. GENUINE should be more complete than ...

HerrSchreck replied 3 years ago
Cheap, low quality bootleg VHS's many years old, in both cases. Contacts, contacts. and more contacts....

Tommaso replied 3 years ago
lubitsch wrote: This month the restored DER ROSENKAVALIER will be shown on television. Ah, I didn't see it yet. Can you tell us people who can get German TV the exact date and channel? Don't want to miss it!

Ledos replied 3 years ago
While it doesn't answer this specific question, it might be interesting to know the Murnau Foundation's page with TV tips. From the main page click News, Fernseh-Tipp or use this direct link .

Tommaso replied 3 years ago
Exactly, Ledos, that's the page I'm always looking at to find out what's on German TV regarding early German movies. But they do not say anything about "Rosenkavalier" (but they're pretty slow with their updates, generally). Well, at least you have a chance to see Fanck's "Holy Mountain" this month if you don't already know it. EDIT: Oh, I have now found it on this page talking about the...

Knappen replied 1 year, 10 months ago
Der Rosenkavalier show on French ARTE December 24th. The recording is done in long play so quality could certainly be better.

Tommaso replied 1 year, 10 months ago
Yes, I also watched the transmission, and as you say, it looks much better in standard play recording. A nice resto with the original music, but I was somewhat disappointed by the film itself. Far more conventional than you'd expect from a 1925 German film, theatrical in a stiff way, mostly static camera and so on. A far cry from the inventiveness of "Caligari" or even "Orlac", and certainly not...

 

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Yes, I also watched the transmission, and as you say, it looks much better in standard play recording. A nice resto with the original music, but I was somewhat disappointed by the film itself. Far more conventional than you'd expect from a 1925 German film, theatrical in a stiff way, mostly static camera and so on. A far cry from the inventiveness of "Caligari" or even "Orlac", and certainly not...
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Der Rosenkavalier show on French ARTE December 24th. The recording is done in long play so quality could certainly be better.
gubbelsj
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While apparently running anywhere from $66 to $80 from US retailers, there is a book out there called Beyond Caligari: The Films of Robert Wiene by Uli Jung and Walter Schatzberg that might be interesting. Published by Berghahn Books , and somewhat cheaper from their site. I'll probably try libraries first. It would indeed be great for films like Orlacs hande , Raskolnikov and I.N.R.I. to receive a proper release - it is hard to restore...
HerrSchreck
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Cheap, low quality bootleg VHS's many years old, in both cases. Contacts, contacts. and more contacts....
Ledos
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While it doesn't answer this specific question, it might be interesting to know the Murnau Foundation's page with TV tips. From the main page click News, Fernseh-Tipp or use this direct link .
zedz
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gubbelsj wrote: But I'm struck by the fact that it was Fritz Lang, not Wiene, who insisted on framing Caligari with a paranoid delusional explanation, thereby muting some of the film's narrative and psychological experimentation. I believe this is disputed, and that the genuine origin of the framing story (and even when the idea was developed) is lost in the mists of time. What's interesting about Lang is that I think he's...
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gubbelsj wrote: It would indeed be great for films like Orlacs hande , Raskolnikov and I.N.R.I. to receive a proper release - it is hard to restore a reputation without much evidence. Schreck, in what format did you view Orlacs Hande and Raskolnikov ? ORLACS HÄNDE is fully restored and ran on German television. GENUINE should be more complete than the 40m excerpt on the Caligari DVDs. This month the restored DER ROSENKAVALIER will be shown...

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