....While Adams was pressing the State of Texas hard on their methods, most national news outlets were doing just the opposite. Newspapers, wire services and cable television programs all told a different story. They relied heavily on Texas authorities, many of them unnamed and leaking information about the case. They turned to academics who have studied polygamy. And they told...
To save time lets start at the tail end of this case and work our way back...
CPS invited some mental health workers to the various shelters to help care for the hundreds of children. The mental health workers were disturbed by what they saw of CPSs treatment of the women and children, and their written reports corroborate the bitter complaints of the FLDS mothers. I dont think the news ...
A lot has been written in the press about an FLDS custom called bleeding the beast.
Was that the case specifically in the Texas group at YFZ?
Prior to the raid the YFZ community was self sustaining. According to the Deseret News of May 18, 2008, the Texas Health and Human Services Commission has reported that none of the families who are members of the west Texas FLDS sect ...
I don't believe that the Texas FLDS group has ever been accused of "bleeding the beast" in Texas. In fact, many people have questioned whether or not this was happening and have always been told it didn't happen in Eldorado. However, there are a lot of missing funds from the UEP that appear to have been used in Texas. I realize that the depletion of the fund is not solely a Texas problem...
Hi mykodiak,
Some people (such as myself) have had a hard time separating out the actions of the YFZ members from the actions of the FLDS group as a whole. I actually didn't know that they (the YFZ) DIDNT receive government checks. I posted that link in case maybe some other readers were as in the dark on that as I was.
I appreciate your point that the funds from the UEP might ...
Remember when we were being told that there was practically no way to match the mothers with the children?
That seems to have not been true.
All the children taken from the Yearning for Zion Ranch are out of state custody and have been reunited with parents, the sect and state officials said Wednesday.
http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9485607
In a round-about way, they HAVE been receiving government funds since the benefits received in Utah and Arizona were deposited into the UEP and it financed a large portion of the YFZ ranch. They simply have not received any directed to them while living in Texas.
I agree, CPS has a lot work to do as well. CPS made many, many mistakes...but I still believe that society will now see a change ...
I agree with you on the 3 issues that you mentioned. Funds, underage marriage and sexual abuse are problems that need change.
I would add an additional issue though. I think that there are civil rights issues also.
oh I guess I would have to add one more while I am at it
the role of CPS and the media in perpetuating falsehoods and lies in this case. When FLDS lies, the outcry is ...
Incredible links, Glow. Thank you for posting them. As you know, I was appalled from the beginning at what seemed to be going down, but it was very difficult to get a full picture. I am deeply grateful that parents and children are being reunited and that they are all leaving the clutches of CPS and the state of Texas.
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.... When FLDS lies, the outcry is huge. When it is discovered that CPS has lied, things get eerily silent....
The truth of this statement is deafening.
Organizations that have the extraordinary power to do what was done in this case must be held to an impeccable standard. ...
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I agree with you on the 3 issues that you mentioned. Funds, underage marriage and sexual abuse are problems that need change.
I would add an additional issue though. I think that there are civil rights issues also.
oh I guess I would have to add one more while I am at it
the role of CPS and ...
Where we are one year later.... The hard truth about the Great Eldorado Polygamist Roundup is that despite all the tough, hang-em high rhetoric and demagoguing by state and local officials, the massive police action probably made it harder, not easier to identify or prevent abuse within the group. It caused Eldorado polygamists to circle the wagons to protect their innocent brethren, and made kids more fearful of the state than of their...
Quote: Originally Posted by LinasK Wrong Glow! It's not illogical. It's not even the same discussion, we are outraged by teen pregnancies. The difference is that they made the choice, they were not forced to have children by the FLDS. The FLDS girls are victims of rape and incest! Their choice was taken away from them , they weren't given the choice to mature before breeding with old men in pre-arranged forced marriages....
Quote: Originally Posted by yolorado When I read these Donald Richter articles which often seem crafted to smear anyone who comes against the FLDS, I begin to see why someone might fear contradicting these FLDS folks--as many ex-members warn is dangerous to do. 'Appostates,' as well as other perceived enemies of the FDLS realm, have been depicted by Richter (and other FLDS defenders) as lying profligates, but I think his own...
Quote: Originally Posted by SewingDeb Pepper, I just went to your Amish link and found this petition. If you substitute FLDS for Amish it is very fitting: Amish Children's Equal Rights Petition We the people are demanding that all Amish children should be given an equal opportunity to have the same rights as all non-Amish children in the United States . *Amish children should be given the same protection by social services that any...
Quote: Originally Posted by Glow Its like ice on a pond - some places it is thick and ok to skate. Other places it is thin... I think when the government is given OR takes upon itself the legislating of religion that we are skating on perilously thin ice. As far as the YFZ people in Texas, they didnt get welfare. Their only illegalality was the underaged thing and the polygamy right? They have said they will follow the law. Lets assume they...
Quote: Originally Posted by Glow Case #2925 THIS IS THE STATES WEAKEST CASE THE CHILDREN Virginia Kloe Barlow will be 14 in Sept Lynda Luella 5 Alice Faye 36 (mother) Lloyd Barlow 39 father Lloyd Barlow married a 16 year old named Sylvia in 2001. Due to this and the fact that he doesn't report under aged births he is deemed an unfit parent. If his wife will not state that she refuses him access to his children - then she is unfit also....
Quote: Originally Posted by Truly ....It is one thing to passively not support the notion , but most of us here actively oppose the practice of forcing young teens to have sex with perverted old men. Just because some old pervert says that God told him it was ok to have sex with a child does not give him the right to rape her and then claim 'freedom of religion'. What about her freedom? They may be here, but I have never run across...
Quote: Originally Posted by Glow These are not cattle we are talking about here . And whether we like or dislike their religion or lifestyle doesn't justify our callous indifference to their plight as nursing mothers and babies. To do that would say nothing about them and everything about us. And yet, that's just how the FLDS treats these families- as women who are interbred like cattle with about as little say in the matter, and...
To me, if there is FACTUAL evidence, or if one has good reason to believe, that a man married off his barely 15 year old daughter to a 35 year-old man the same night he, himself, married a 11-13 year old child, there should be a court order prohibiting him and the 35 year-old man from contact with that child. Malonis sought that court ordered protection for her client. I see no fault in that. No Sarah, but there is a Teresa. There's...
Quote: Originally Posted by Truly Glow, if you wish to talk about that thread, then bump it up and post on it. There is also a thread specifically devoted to discussion of the FLDS dresses. Why not join in the discussion in the threads that other posters have started? This is not your own personal blog. Rocky was also a little bit hard of hearing. But at least he seemed like a kind and lovable person who simply made the error of commandeering...
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