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Thread: The Northstar

Started 1 month, 1 week ago by Jims_97_ETC
The LS design process has shown that when you are talking over 500 hp, you get more hp per dollar with a pushrod engine. The GM 3.6 liter DI V6 shows that you get a better design (cost, weight, economy) with 4 valves per cylinder. GM has been making DOHC 4-valve engines for daily drivers since the Quad 4 came out in 1988 so they have the formula as well as anyone. I expect that we will ...
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OynxSTS replied 1 month, 1 week ago
QUOTE (Jims_97_ETC @ Nov 6 2009, 03:03 AM) GM has been making DOHC 4-valve engines for daily drivers since the Quad 4 came out in 1988 so they have the formula as well as anyone. I expect that we will be seeing 4-valve engines for a long time. Sadly the Quad 4 was another example of a head gasket/head bolt failure just waiting to happen. Most of those engines died before 80,...

davek replied 1 month, 1 week ago
QUOTE (OynxSTS @ Nov 6 2009, 03:20 AM) But 32V V8 versions on the other hand.... next year will probably be the last for the 32V motors... if not next year, 2011 definately will be... Duramax...

Bruce from Caddy... replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I am more about the results than the configuration. Given a choice I would prefer to have a 430 hp V8 than a 270 hp V8, even if the 430 HP V8 were OHV and the 270hp engine were DOHC. Also, the attraction to more cylinders is that higher cylinder engines tend to make more torque lower in the RPM band. So V8s traditionally made more torque than V6s than V4s. Again, I would prefer a V6...

Jims_97_ETC replied 1 month, 1 week ago
QUOTE the attraction to more cylinders is that higher cylinder engines tend to make more torque lower in the RPM band That's why I said that my preferred configuration would have about 500 cc per cylinder, leaving the number of cylinders proportional to the displacement (and horsepower). That cylinder size gives a good compromise between torque and RPM potential, and specific ...

Bruce from Caddy... replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I still think the 3.6L should be putting out around 330-335 hp btw. Based on the gains seen once a CAI and Sport exhaust system are added, Cadillac is not getting all the power out of this engine that they could. I suspect somewhere the CTS was 'specified' to need a 300 hp engine, and when Powertrain got to 300 they stopped worrying about more power and concentrated on noise, vibration, ...

Jims_97_ETC replied 1 month, 1 week ago
There's another reason to keep the specific output lower than one might want it to be: torque off-idle to provide throttle response and driveability without a high stall rate torque converter. Driving a car with a high stall rate converter around town at low speeds means wide RPM swings and low fuel economy. You can compensate for lack of off-idle torque with a large numerical gear ratio...

OynxSTS replied 1 month, 1 week ago
QUOTE (Bruce from Caddyinfo.com @ Nov 6 2009, 10:24 AM) I still think the 3.6L should be putting out around 330-335 hp btw. Based on the gains seen once a CAI and Sport exhaust system are added, Cadillac is not getting all the power out of this engine that they could. I suspect somewhere the CTS was 'specified' to need a 300 hp engine, and when Powertrain got to 300 they stopped ...

PAUL T replied 1 month, 1 week ago
My 94 Concours Northstar went at 166,000 miles. I denied it for a long time but eventually had to accept it. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif ) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/connie_mini_wipetears.gif )

Jims_97_ETC replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I put in a reman at 116,500 miles and plan to drive the car several more years. I've had it 12+ years now. The most I had other cars was 7 years (the 1959 Chevrolet 235 cid 6 and the 427 cid Cheverolet wagon). The 1959 had three engines and the wagon had two. I'm way ahead with the Cadillac.

 

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Jims_97_ETC
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-06 23:33:00)
Note that the BMW M3 has a V8. Roger Smith is long gone so you can forget airy thought at the top leading to things like the 368 cid V8-6-4 or a 4.1 liter engine in a 5,000 pound car. I agree that Northstar has another generation in it to cover where the High Value V8 would have taken over. Some of the thinking that I was seeing in the High Value V8 was modular thinking, like the Ford Modular V6-V8 family where the same factory builds engines...
davek
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-06 19:12:00)
Another reason to prefer a V8 (or more) in a luxury car is the smoothness, both a lack of vibration and a soften the pulses of the exhaust noise. Back in the days of the V16, lots of makes had a V12, because they were easier to balance. Everything is built to a price and purpose, and the Northstar had many objectives when it debuted, and the primary one was to steal Lexus' thunder. The LS400 debuted in 1990 with a 250hp 4.0l DOHC V8 when...
Bruce from Caddy...
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-06 10:24:00)
I still think the 3.6L should be putting out around 330-335 hp btw. Based on the gains seen once a CAI and Sport exhaust system are added, Cadillac is not getting all the power out of this engine that they could. I suspect somewhere the CTS was 'specified' to need a 300 hp engine, and when Powertrain got to 300 they stopped worrying about more power and concentrated on noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH).
OynxSTS
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-06 15:05:00)
QUOTE (Bruce from Caddyinfo.com @ Nov 6 2009, 10:24 AM) I still think the 3.6L should be putting out around 330-335 hp btw. Based on the gains seen once a CAI and Sport exhaust system are added, Cadillac is not getting all the power out of this engine that they could. I suspect somewhere the CTS was 'specified' to need a 300 hp engine, and when Powertrain got to 300 they stopped worrying about more power and...
PAUL T
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-06 17:03:00)
My 94 Concours Northstar went at 166,000 miles. I denied it for a long time but eventually had to accept it. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif ) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/connie_mini_wipetears.gif )
Jan Olsson
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-07 14:46:00)
Many testers feel that the Cadillac V6 isn't as smooth as the competitors V6 engines, then they test the Northstar engine (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif ) Personally I feel that a 90° V8 that can be fully counter balanced with respect to the 1:st AND 2:nd order of vibrations always will be superior to a V6 who in many cases need to be counter-balanced for a smooth run. Nothing wrong with the current V6 but a V8 should be...
BodybyFisher
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The Northstar
Published (2009-11-07 14:51:00)
QUOTE (Jan Olsson @ Nov 7 2009, 03:46 PM) Many testers feel that the Cadillac V6 isn't as smooth as the competitors V6 engines, then they test the Northstar engine (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif ) Personally I feel that a 90° V8 that can be fully counter balanced with respect to the 1:st AND 2:nd order of vibrations always will be superior to a V6 who in many cases need to be counter-balanced for a smooth run....

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