I read the study, how are you going to explain all of the CM non-responders
that respond to CEE? Placebo effect? Bullshit, I am a CM non-responder and
CEE works for me, and there are MANY more bodybuilders that will make the
same claim.
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Originally Posted by nni
the recent study does debunk it as far as creatinine levels in the blood, but not performance. performance wise it was on par with mono with respect to strength and body composition. so either they both dont work, or they both do, you can just choose which parts of the study you will accept....
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Originally Posted by Prince
I read the study, how are you going to explain all of the CM non-responders that respond to CEE? Placebo effect? Bullshit, I am a CM non-responder and CEE works for me, and there are MANY more bodybuilders that will make the same claim.
You may want to read the rest of my comments...
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Originally Posted by WillBrink
Read what I said closely and or read the study, the placebo group had the same response. Thus, this study does not show its on par with CM, is shows CEE and CM were on par with placebo, likely due to using untrained subjects. I don't accept selective parts of studies and am clear what the drawbacks...
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Originally Posted by nni
i was talking more with respect to the study, i didnt read your report yet. but if it is addressed then it is responsible, i have seen at least 3 different self appointed authorities ignore that fact.
That's why I'm Will Brink, and they are not.
But seriously, "self ...
Well Fuck!
But wait, let me ask this. They didn't do a study of proven mono-hydrate non-responders tested to see if they benefited from CEE. That would be of interest to me.
Two groups of mono-hydrate non responders:
One group given mono
Another group given CEE.
I would love to know how those numbers would break down. I bet the creatine serum levels would be higher in the CEE group.
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Originally Posted by KelJu
Well Fuck!
But wait, let me ask this. They didn't do a study of proven mono-hydrate non-responders tested to see if they benefited from CEE. That would be of interest to me.
Two groups of mono-hydrate non responders:
One group given mono
Another group given CEE.
I would love to ...
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Originally Posted by WillBrink
If you got the $$$$, I can make it happen
I would bet you $100, that would not be the case. It's less stable period, and leads to big increases in creatinine, not serum creatine or tissue creatine levels.
If you stop, you are going to ruin my god damn placebo!
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben dur i think its safe to say that MOST of the PRODUCT (not just sups) that come from china are subject to LOW QUALITY CONTROL . Agreed. I avoid eating anything from China be it supps, food, meds, etc.
all I can say is that CM did nothing for me and gave me nasty side effects, e.g. GI issues, I tried CEE and never turned back, CEE does work, I only have to take 3 grams per day and I have zero side effects. I have stopped using CEE as a test and there are noticeable difference in my muscle fullness, strength and endurance in the gym. And there are thousands of CEE users that will attest to this as well. I always tell people try CM and if it...
Quote: Originally Posted by WillBrink And the reasons for not disclosing the company are given. I didn't disclose the name of the company that tested well either for some years, only recently disclosing the fact it was Creapure. For years I got letters and emails asking "What's the name of the German brand that tested so well Will?" and only 'till fairly recent was that info disclosed for both reasons...
edit breeding not "bread" example farmed fish genetically mutated farmed chicken rabbit etc although most could also be breaded example KFC fried mullet etc further edit KFC chicken is 100% US chicken
Quote: Originally Posted by WillBrink I can get you a bottle of this stuff real cheap: I want a bottle that has that for the label. That would be a great conversation piece.
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