Hi guys,
Before this thread is deleted or totally crapped out, let me say that I've tried searching, extensively, and I've found some threads but I still don't get it. Most threads seem to compare the ecus by features, but the features some have over others are useless to me. I don't need telemetry, traction control or PnP.
I'm all but sold on VEMS and ...
Standalones are like politics. Good Luck. Alot of the things with a standalone will be the intangibles. Customer Support, Tuning Support, local tuners.
The best standalone would be the one you have the tuner most comfortable tuning. I wouldn't run anything on an E36 turbo setup that would not run atleast the injection full sequential. Running wasted spark is no big deal as most BMW ...
Thanks Dan.
My tuner said he's fine with just about anything. He explicitly said he's tuned a lot of MS and VEMS setups. And VEMS is fully sequential.
What features from the fancier EMSs would lead to better performance? EDIT: sorry, didn't get hooked on my fonix, I misread "I do not think that always..." as "I do think"
It isn't necessarily "features" that get you a better running engine, it is often functionality and precision.
Control strategy is important, but most will be speed density or alpha n. Table size does matter as well.
I am running 034 Motorsport Stg 2c... Not as expensive as most, but has a lot of the features and is pretty user friendly. Check it out here: http://www.034motorsport.com/index.p...ml9qjb027uu us1
My favorite part of these systems as compared to others is that I have never had an issue getting a car started Immediately and driving within minutes of fire. Customer support is very good as ...
DTR: Thanks but I'd rather stick to something with a huge user base with these engines.
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It isn't necessarily "features" that get you a better running engine, it is often functionality and precision.
Control strategy is important, but most will be speed density or alpha n. Table size does ...
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DTR: Thanks but I'd rather stick to something with a huge user base with these engines.
Probably a good idea for a first time installer tuner. I have extensive experience with 034 ECU's... but honestly all ECU's are hooked up the same way, and do basically exactly ...
I've seen cars run very well on Autronic, but also consider ViPec and PecTel. I think either of the latter are pretty much complete with all the bells and whistles you need without the ad-ins. A respected tuner I know speaks very highly of the both but I have no direct experience with them. Yet.
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I've seen cars run very well on Autronic, but also consider ViPec and PecTel. I think either of the latter are pretty much complete with all the bells and whistles you need without the ad-ins.
Vipec will be my next EMS. I hear they have new models being released shortly...
VEMS, from what i recall, was a big jump forward from MS1, but unless it has been updated, is slower than a MS2.
In processing power the MS1, and things close to it, are pretty slow. That is a reasonable limitation in itself.
The "up" from there can be way up, and largely budget dependent.
Quote: Originally Posted by highboostingm3 Whenever you try to cut corners in order to save money, you just need to make absolutely certain you know wtf you are doing. Especially when wiring up a full loom yourself, fixing the box to work with the BMW and then hoping to get the car running without burning down your car or blowing your motor. Many a DIY man has turned a $1000 or whatever savings into a financial disaster. Jon on here is one of...
Call me overly skeptical, but I have a really hard time believing that any of the more commercialized products are any better when it comes to reliability. I don't know for a fact but I doubt that 034, AEM etc, short of a true industrial electronics company like Bosch or Siemens, with the experience and resources required for a serious development cycle, are really as sorted as you guys make it sound. If Texas Instruments came out with...
What Cam said is really true. Not even for just DIY folks either. I started doing custom EFI work in 2001. I built my own MS unit and installed into my first custom turbo car. I didn't have the money at the time with everything else that I needed to purchase a system like Autronic or whatever. And there is nothing wrong with that, however, from my positive experience overall with the system I have had many people approach me with...
Quote: Originally Posted by teamsoy I understand the wiring part ect. like with most stand alones. Though I am curious how everything is done and round about running costs. Whenever you try to cut corners in order to save money, you just need to make absolutely certain you know wtf you are doing. Especially when wiring up a full loom yourself, fixing the box to work with the BMW and then hoping to get the car running without burning down your...
VEMS, from what i recall, was a big jump forward from MS1, but unless it has been updated, is slower than a MS2. In processing power the MS1, and things close to it, are pretty slow. That is a reasonable limitation in itself. The "up" from there can be way up, and largely budget dependent.
Pantera EFI = 034. I ran the Stage IIc on my turbo M3 and liked it. The 1050 does not have a built in coil driver and will require an ignition box or driver from another car.
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