Thread: Shuffling and cutting

Quote: Originally Posted by azngenius You might not even need the opponent to shuffle again... does anyone have any input? I can see both pros and cons for allowing the opponent to shuffle after this cut. I'm more likely to just let the deck stand as is, though I'd expect that to differ for each judge who were to handle such a situation. YMMV.

Quote: Originally Posted by Yamikiri But am I right to assume that you can do this finite times? It's frustrating, I already told you absolutely not. Are you going to quote this post and ask again? Their shuffle is final.

Quote: Originally Posted by onlainari It's frustrating, I already told you absolutely not. Are you going to quote this post and ask again? Their shuffle is final. Still people are giving me conflicting answers - I'll trust this answer for now until some one gives credible evidence to the contrary. Trust all the citations. Disliking an answer is not a reason to prolong a thread by calling all these official citations incorrect. -Woap

Actually no, there is only one rule that prohibits something (the land drop rule), all the others give permission. The only thing that prohibits you from shuffling whenever you want is the premise that you can't do anything without permission. Thus, you can note there is no rule that states "you may not shuffle your library unless instructed" but by the nature of the rules, as you can't do something unless you have...

Well, I was apparently using an obsolete method. But I could have sworn I saw the additional cut occur on the video footage of PTQ Austin top 8. Ah well, new rules is new rules.

I was interested in cutting my deck, after my opponent shuffled it Can you please copy/paste a rule that prohibits this.

You are alowed to cut/shuffle your opponents deck after he/she has presented it after shuffling it him/her self. You are not allowed to cut/shuffle your own deck after an opponent has cut/shuffled your deck after presenting

I think the question has been sufficiently answered at this point. Thread locked.

I was under the impression that it used to be that if your opponent shuffled your deck you were allowed to cut it afterwards, but now the rules state that the opponent always gets the last cut of your deck to prevent any crazy stacking shenanigans.

This came up at Game Days while I was judging actually. What is the appropriate penalty for a player who cuts his/her deck after an opponent shuffles it? There was no intention of cheating.