Thread: Should the military allow people of Middle Eastern descent to counsel
returning soldiers?
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago by kval07
I know this will turn in to a hot topic. I have wondered about this myself for awhile, and in light of recent events at Fort Hood, thought I'd throw the idea on the table.
To start, I am not racist in any way, shape or form. And that is why I am on the fence about this topic. This Major responsible for all the carnage at Fort Hood was of Middle Eastern descent, and we all know he didn't want ...
I had that same question to myself yesterday.
How Loyal are these individuals to their religion? If I understand it correctly...if your not a follower, then you are an enemy?
I think there should always be several options to choose from when it comes to counselors/therapists. Some people just don't "click" even under the best of circumstances. And if a soldier has been in the Middle East shooting at and being shot at by Middle Easterners, that's just one more reason they might not want to open up to a counselor of Middle Eastern descent.
Well...
Lets see...
If our country, and military, judged people based on race, religion, etc...
Wouldn't that make us no better than those we are fighting?
Originally Posted by beth119 Well...
Lets see...
If our country, and military, judged people based on race, religion, etc...
Wouldn't that make us no better than those we are fighting? I agree.
BUT, giving soldiers the sole option of speaking to someone who looks like those who have killed/injured their battle buddies really ...
I am of middle eastern decent.
My father was born in Iraq (came over to the states for college and married my mom then had us kids). He got his doctorate and is still a practicing psychiatrist. He does not practice religion and never has, though me and my bro/sis were raised Christian by my mother (and still are).
I am going to school for nursing with a focus on psychology.
Sorry to ...
I think that's a very valid point kval. On one hand, I totally see where you and other military personnel may have huge issues with being counseled by someone of the same faith/appearance/etc as the people you have had to be suspicious of while in a war not long before. I would think the same thing may have be true of say, Vietnam vets only having the option of seeing a Vietnamese counselor. I...
Originally Posted by reincarnation I had that same question to myself yesterday.
How Loyal are these individuals to their religion? If I understand it correctly...if your not a follower, then you are an enemy? Nope. YOu don't understand it correctly.
Originally Posted by reincarnation ...but ...
I do not believe jobs should be withheld from people based on their
ethnicity (or gender or...). I do think that if a trauma victim is more
comfortable with someone else even based on religion or ethnicity, it's
more important that they get the help they need than to make issue of
diversity and tolerance at that time. I do apply that logic to other
victims of trauma as well (assault, rape, etc.).
Originally Posted by beth119 Very insightful article. THank you. I have another question. Are the counselers fellow soldiers? My VA therapist is a former Marine. I would think it might be pretty common to find former military people working in the VA. Come to think of it, the receptionist there used to be in the Air Force.
Originally Posted by bigsweetie I think there should definitely be a choice. I really don't see the opposing viewpoints in this thread? When it comes to positions of vulnerability (therapy, physicians, etc.) most of us choose based on our own comfort level. If a woman is raped by a hispanic man, would I expect them to sit down with a hispanic male therapist to talk about it? No, I wouldn't. If they feel comfortable with it, fine....
Originally Posted by beth119 It WAS suggested. THe TITLE and POLL suggests it. One of the picks in the poll is about a choice, but the poll itself is about WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED . I am with most everyone else when I say a CHOICE should be made. But I am REALLY curious about who says NO and why? THAT is bugging me. That's just it. I was answering the poll question, of should the military allow people of ME des to counsel? My...
Originally Posted by tn20 I *think* what Meggers meant was that when you are actually, physically delivering your new arrivals you'll be like, "What was I thinking???" Not that you'll regret your children or any such thing. Both of my 9 pound kiddos were born without an epidural and I know that as they were crowning, I was silently cursing my DH. I think Meggers was equating that "What was I...
Originally Posted by cori n wes mom I voted yes....as I cannot see banning someone for whatever there race is from giving counsel...but completely agree as well...that a soldier should be able to choose whoever they choose...on whatever basis they need at that moment. I would not require they see someone first who they are not going to feel comfortable with...what if they are already suicidal...and that tipped things over the edge for them??...
Originally Posted by ~~Who,Me?~~ I really don't see why a bunch of you have your knickers all in a knot over my opinion. It's just that--my opinion. I believe that is what the OP intended when she posed the question, to get opinions. She even states in first post that she expects some to disagree with her, so here I am. If you peruse the HUTC rules, it tells you to be prepared to have others disagree with you. So get over yourselves...
Originally Posted by ~~Who,Me?~~ So then how do you decide? I bet I could find a bunch of 40-year-old males: one Iraqi, an Iranian, an India-Indian, a Mexican, a Jew, an Italian, an Egyptian, a Syrian....I could go on....and they would all have the same features. Are you suggesting that we just eliminate all dark-haired, dark-skinned people? Because as they say "you can't judge a book by it's cover." You can't...
Originally Posted by kval07 You saying this leads me to believe that maybe I was not clear enough in my posts. I am not saying that Muslims or people of Middle Eastern descent are bad people. I'm not saying that at all, nor am I saying that they can't practice medicine. What I am saying is that it is PROBABLY not in the best interest of soldiers (for a variety of reasons) to conduct mental health counseling with a person who looks...
I just saw a bumper sticker that said "Lubya... I just saw a bumper sticker that said "Lubya Dubya". Alternate text: "I think everyone of middle eastern descent is a terrorist." 4:13 PM Jul 17th from txt
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