Thread: Science and shenanigans - need advice on programming
Started 1 month, 1 week ago by plugchop
Thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out with this.
Here's a link to my log .
Basics: I was 36 years old when I began the Starting Strength novice program on 23 February 2009. I have had no formal barbell coaching, although I've been training off and on since high school. My starting 5RM maxes were:
Squat: 185
Bench press: 185 (I think this was too high...)
Deadlift:...
(1) Would it be possible to do the conditioning work on thursday and lift saturday. Or lift each day and follow that with a brief conditioning workout? Or even just moving the deadlifts to saturday.
(2) If the above doesn't work I'd put the deadlifts first on tuesday unless the priority is front squats.
Tosa, I can't really do the Saturday stuff any other day. I usually have a couple of friends over and it's a pretty big production to get all the gear outside and then bring it all back inside at the end.
Your point about switching the order of the front squats / deadlifts is well taken.
Anybody have any other ideas?
Quote:
Originally Posted by plugchop
Build more strength, improve GPP -- in that order.
I guess my recommendation would be this:
Look at what you are doing now and figure out the hierarchy of importance. For example, with me:
Primary lifts (Squat, Bench, Dead) > Secondary Lifts (Fr. Squat, Incline Bench, ...
I can't add too much. The first thing that popped out at me was switching the order to have Deadlifts first. Also, the week you aren't doing singles, you may want to try pulling from a deficit. You can keep the weight light as planned, but try pulling off of a plate. Singles + deficit pulls did wonders for me. The next thing I noticed is that you seem to be doing too much. I'd drop at least...
^ Thanks guys.
I like the idea of incorporating deficit deadlifts. Does standing on a single plate really add that much of a challenge to the lift? The only time I've ever tried these we stood on a single step (like from a step aerobics assembly) which was probably 3 or 4 inches high.
Quote: Originally Posted by RedNeckJiuJitsu Snatch grip DL standing on 2 stacked plates is good. Zercher DL is better. Better how? Better as assistance for conventional DLs, or better as replacements for conventional DLs? I want to improve my DL, not get rid of it! Just want to make sure we're on the same page.
Quote: Originally Posted by plugchop ^ Got any scrap lumber and nails? Not much actually. I'll figure something out. I think my mom has an old step aerobic thing. Until then, plates will work for me. I did a cycle of quite a few months with heavy singles and deficit deads. It took my DL up 70 lbs.
Quote: Originally Posted by plugchop Build more strength, improve GPP -- in that order. I guess my recommendation would be this: Look at what you are doing now and figure out the hierarchy of importance. For example, with me: Primary lifts (Squat, Bench, Dead) > Secondary Lifts (Fr. Squat, Incline Bench, RDL) > Assistance lifts (Chins, Dips) > Conditioning (Treadmill, Biking). Focus your attention first on what is most...
(1) Would it be possible to do the conditioning work on thursday and lift saturday. Or lift each day and follow that with a brief conditioning workout? Or even just moving the deadlifts to saturday. (2) If the above doesn't work I'd put the deadlifts first on tuesday unless the priority is front squats.
Goodmornings can be a good assistance lift for deads. DB rows will be a bit easier on your lower back than BB rows if it gets fatigued. Assess your glute activation, and add work if necessary.
I share the lack of sleep issue. I simply had to cut back on my lifts. I do a primary and hit it as hard as I can, then if anything is left an assistance. If I don't feel recovered by my next scheduled lifting day, I don't or cut back. Do to the recovery issues I face, there are days that if I do lift I have to drop the resistance, reps or sets to something I can handle, I go by feel. I also had to prioritize my lifts, right now my...
Quote: Originally Posted by Oblivian Not much actually. I'll figure something out. I think my mom has an old step aerobic thing. Until then, plates will work for me. I did a cycle of quite a few months with heavy singles and deficit deads. It took my DL up 70 lbs. Snatch grip DL standing on 2 stacked plates is good. Zercher DL is better.
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