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Thread: Sanctuary city States rights issue.

Started 3 months, 1 week ago by Joseph M. Creaney
There has this sanctuary city movement that basically is a don't ask don't tell on legal status of people applying for schools and other social services. How is the refusal to enforce federal law any different than a state refusing to enforce federal fire arms laws if the weapons are purely sold inside the state. It would seem that sanctuary city/state is a state sovereignty issue and ...
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Happy Geezer replied 3 months, 1 week ago
It sounds as though the sanctuary cities are promoting nullification. I thought collectivists were against things like nullification. Are they changing their minds or are they saying only they are allowed to nullify?

James Walsh replied 3 months, 1 week ago
Article VI of the Constitution provides as follows: "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the ...

Joseph M. Creaney replied 3 months, 1 week ago
States are not charged with enforcing immigration law and it can be considered discrimination to ask if some person is leagal to work based on the color of their skin or which language they speak. But how is supporting picking and choosing which immigration laws to enforce any different than any other federal mandate that is brought down on the states. It is a failure of the federal ...

Robert Merrill replied 3 months, 1 week ago
Creaney -- good discussion. I think "sanctuary" movement are pretty old and they are forms of nullification as Happy Geezer said and civil disobedience. The rationale that states don't have to enforce immigration laws is a good pretext. I don't think any state has an immigration office as does the USG. Sancturaries are humanitarian in nature. No human being is "illegal." Borders are ...

Hot Chocolate Guy replied 3 months, 1 week ago
"Immigrants have needs such as housing, a job, healthcare, and so on. People who support sanctuaries just think they should get those and don't really care about the laws." This isn't thinking. This is using your emotions instead of your brain. Those immigrants shouldn't be here. If they weren't, they wouldn't have those needs here. There are important reasons for controlling immigration,...

Hot Chocolate Guy replied 3 months, 1 week ago
"I'm glad they capture violent criminals, but other than that I sort of wish they'd say in the Dunkin Doughnuts and leave the world alone." This is truly idiotic. You only say this because you aren't living in the world you advocate. So we should just let people engaging in credit card fraud and identity theft go about their business? They are clearly not violent criminals.

John M. Lane replied 3 months, 1 week ago
Hello Happy Geezer, I live in Montana and we have a law which prohibits the registration of firearms manufactured, sold and used within the state. This isn't a "nullification". It's a reinforcement of an inalienable Constitutional right which no unit of government can infringe. We stand with the Constitution even if others do not. We're not seceding from the Great Republic. Those...

Hot Chocolate Guy replied 3 months, 1 week ago
"It would seem that sanctuary city/state is a state sovereignty issue" States receive federal tax dollars to support schools, hospitals and other services used by illegal aliens. Those illegal aliens have babies here which are granted U.S. citizenship, not state citizenship. There are many reasons this is not just a state or city issue. We are one nation consisting of 50 states. By what ...

Hot Chocolate Guy replied 3 months, 1 week ago
"I live in Montana and we have a law which prohibits the registration of firearms manufactured, sold and used within the state. This isn't a "nullification". It's a reinforcement of a basic Constitutional right which no unit of government has the right to infringe." Unless you can show that firearm registration interferes with your right to have firearms, this is just rhetoric. "We stand ...

John M. Lane replied 3 months, 1 week ago
Hello Hot Chocolate Guy, In an odd way, you're correct that registration of firearms isn't an overt, direct restriction on my unalienable right under our Constitution to keep and bear them. It's the next step which alienates that right. Ask yourself how you'd feel if the authorities decided to monitor your online activities and keep a list of the books you read and the DVDs you watched...

 

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Hot Chocolate Guy
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Sanctuary city States rights issue.
Published (2009-09-14 10:00:00)
"I live in Montana and we have a law which prohibits the registration of firearms manufactured, sold and used within the state. This isn't a "nullification". It's a reinforcement of a basic Constitutional right which no unit of government has the right to infringe." Unless you can show that firearm registration interferes with your right to have firearms, this is just rhetoric. "We stand...
Joseph M. Creaney
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Published (2009-09-15 08:25:00)
"...shall not be infringed." Registration, if used as a requirement to "keep" or own, is an infringement. All the courts have to do is change the meaning of infringe to allow. They basically did that in the filburn case when they changed the word interstate to intrastate so that the federal government could regulate behavior that was not interstate nor commerse. For the left there are no restrictions on...
John M. Lane
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Hello Happy Geezer, I live in Montana and we have a law which prohibits the registration of firearms manufactured, sold and used within the state. This isn't a "nullification". It's a reinforcement of an inalienable Constitutional right which no unit of government can infringe. We stand with the Constitution even if others do not. We're not seceding from the Great Republic. Those who seek to impose their...
James Walsh
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Article VI of the Constitution provides as follows: "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." That...
Robert Merrill
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Creaney -- good discussion. I think "sanctuary" movement are pretty old and they are forms of nullification as Happy Geezer said and civil disobedience. The rationale that states don't have to enforce immigration laws is a good pretext. I don't think any state has an immigration office as does the USG. Sancturaries are humanitarian in nature. No human being is "illegal." Borders are artificial....
Lily White
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Joseph M. Creaney: I for one am getting sick of states rights. Do we live in a united states or do we not?
Terje Alnes
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Robert Merrill: <<The troubles of Mexico's economy are largely traceable to NAFTA.>> Mexcio has been in a financial crisis for about a 100 years or so, this is mainly due to the corruption in all levels of government there. The 1994 Economic Crisis in Mexico, widely known as the Mexican peso crisis, became an effective crisis with the sudden devaluation of the Mexican peso in December 1994. From wikipedia:...
LBOM
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"...shall not be infringed." Registration, if used as a requirement to "keep" or own, is an infringement.
Happy Geezer
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Published (2009-09-14 05:16:00)
It sounds as though the sanctuary cities are promoting nullification. I thought collectivists were against things like nullification. Are they changing their minds or are they saying only they are allowed to nullify?

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