Thread: Removing ABS fuse on Ice

Quote: Originally Posted by MGJohn They are NOT .......may take others with them!! Driving like a selfish moron is not related to any safety aspect of a car, as far as I know there is no device that can stop your neighbours driving like idiots. I don't see how it's related, and if you think everyone will drive better because you remove their airbags then, well, good luck with that, but you're not having mine.

There is a general "joke" that runs thorugh the automotive world which goes something along the lines of: "the best safety device you can fit to a car ever, is a very large spike in place of the airbag - that would focus the mind tremendously!!" An airbag for example is a supplementary restraint system (SRS) and yes they help reduce injuries, but cars crash just as well without them and manufacturers test...

Quote: Originally Posted by STEVEN_NORFIELD Driving like a selfish moron is not related to any safety aspect of a car, as far as I know there is no device that can stop your neighbours driving like idiots. I don't see how it's related, and if you think everyone will drive better because you remove their airbags then, well, good luck with that, but you're not having mine. It is directly related. I'm in a safer car so do not...

Quote: Originally Posted by Chris87 What are you basing this on? So what you're saying is that all majour tyre testing teams here in Sweden who spend many weeks testing winter tyres at the arctic circle are lying? So tell me, what kind of special snow is it that you have which my tyres are suitable for? All weather tyres (all season) aren't even allowed here due to their poor traction. I agree that proper winter tyres have much more...

Most parts of the UK don't actually get anywhere near bad enough to warrant changing to winter tyres. A simple adjustment of driving style suffices. And yes, I have lived and driven on continental Europe where winter tyres were most definitely needed.

Quote: Originally Posted by STEVEN_NORFIELD True, but with the catastrophic problem in that you can't steer a car with locked wheels. That wasn't what you said though was it , and in that case, you would need to lift off the brake and then *hopefully* steer. In any case, id far rather have no ABS on ice and snow as I have used it before and it was pretty much lethal.

You guys definently need to travel to a country where there is both ice and snow on the roads. I might get shot for saying this, but I can't for the sake of me understand why on earth people in the UK keep driving on summer tyres during winter. Don't you know better or do you simply don't care? Summer tyres are rubbish when it comes to winter conditions, believe me, I've tested in both snow and on ice... ABS, won't...

Quote: Originally Posted by Rincewind I test ABS on cars for type approval work to make sure that they pass the requirements Have you tested any of the earlier Rovers? As in my post, I'd swear they don't work as well as other cars on ice. As far as modern sefety systems go - I have a friend who designs air bag systems and swears you are safer without them!

Quote: Originally Posted by Stu Where did you hear you should on Rovers? Anyway, it is rubbish, ABS is fine in 95% of winter cases and is far more beneficial more often than not. Not only that you will run the risk of invalidating your insurance if they found out. On here of course! Well as said about I think driving a lot more carefully is the best policy, talking of which I actually meant to ask about the insurance in my original question...

Quote: Originally Posted by STEVEN_NORFIELD So how do you account for the fact that since things like ABS and airbags have been introduced fatalaties have dropped despite the collosal increase of car users? EuroNCAP qouted a 30% drop from 1980 to 2002. I repeat, what are the odds of every car manufacturer in the world being wrong? Cars have got stronger? ABS and air bags may well have saved lives, but how many crashes has it actually caused...