Thread: Question on holding Emergency Fund in tax advantaged account
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago by RedTail
In reference to the following thread and a livesoft post below, I am struggling with what to do with my emergency fund.
http://www.bogleheads.org/foru....nd+taxable
livesoft wrote: We discuss this from time to time, but would you be averse to keeping most your emergency fund in your tax-advantaged accounts? I keep most of our emergency fund in Vanguard GNMA ...
A 0.5% interest rate money market fund is reasonably tax-efficient, isn't it? It would be more tax-efficient if it paid a 0%-interest rate. No income = no income taxes.
I own SCZ, VSS and GWX in our taxable account, so holding ISC(V) in taxable is not a problem for me. I even hold VBR (SCV) in taxable. I like the ability to tax-loss harvest these volatile ETFs.
As I wrote in ...
A 0.5% interest rate money market fund is reasonably tax-efficient, isn't it? It would be more tax-efficient if it paid a 0%-interest rate. No income = no income taxes.
I own SCZ, VSS and GWX in our taxable account, so holding ISC(V) in taxable is not a problem for me. I even hold VBR (SCV) in taxable. I like the ability to tax-loss harvest these volatile ETFs.
As I wrote in...
livesoft wrote:
I own SCZ, VSS and GWX in our taxable account, so holding ISC(V) in taxable is not a problem for me. I even hold VBR (SCV) in taxable. I like the ability to tax-loss harvest these volatile ETFs.
How is taxable not a problem for you there? Do you mean because of the tax-loss harvesting?
I also tax-loss harvest with my ETFs (IJS, IVV, and ...
livesoft wrote:
I own SCZ, VSS and GWX in our taxable account, so holding ISC(V) in taxable is not a problem for me. I even hold VBR (SCV) in taxable. I like the ability to tax-loss harvest these volatile ETFs.
How is taxable not a problem for you there? Do you mean because of the tax-loss harvesting?
I also tax-loss harvest with my ETFs (IJS, IVV, and ...
All tax-efficiency is relative. Is VBR or VSS that much less tax-efficient than VTI? VTI pays out a qualified dividend of about 2% per year. VBR and VSS pay out only a fractionally larger dividend most of which is probably qualified. The comparison is not the dividend of a tax-exempt muni bond fund versus the dividends of VBR and VSS. Compare them to a tax-efficient index fund instead....
All tax-efficiency is relative. Is VBR or VSS that much less tax-efficient than VTI? VTI pays out a qualified dividend of about 2% per year. VBR and VSS pay out only a fractionally larger dividend most of which is probably qualified. The comparison is not the dividend of a tax-exempt muni bond fund versus the dividends of VBR and VSS. Compare them to a tax-efficient index fund instead....
Okay, I see your point on those ETFs, but (I know there is an existing thread on this already) is it reasonable to hold something like a GNMA in an IRA since IRA's can only be replinished at $5k/yr? Or since a true "emergency" is so unlikely that it is justifiable to keep these funds in and IRA?
Currently I am holding DLS in our IRAs. Again, our 401ks are extremely limited in selection ...
Okay, I see your point on those ETFs, but (I know there is an existing thread on this already) is it reasonable to hold something like a GNMA in an IRA since IRA's can only be replinished at $5k/yr? Or since a true "emergency" is so unlikely that it is justifiable to keep these funds in and IRA?
Currently I am holding DLS in our IRAs. Again, our 401ks are extremely limited in selection...
You could use your 401(k) and it's short-term bond fund. It doesn't have to be a GNMA fund or an IRA. Don't forget that you are not removing money from the IRA or 401(k) in an emergency.
Individual situations are different and perhaps unique. You have to look at what you have and make your own decision.
Vanguard GNMA: VFIIX. This fund does not have an ETF share class. Other ...
You could use your 401(k) and it's short-term bond fund. It doesn't have to be a GNMA fund or an IRA. Don't forget that you are not removing money from the IRA or 401(k) in an emergency.
Individual situations are different and perhaps unique. You have to look at what you have and make your own decision.
Vanguard GNMA: VFIIX. This fund does not have an ETF share class. Other ...
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