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Thread: Question for Wine Critics/Reviewers: How would you react?


Started 2 years, 7 months ago by Brad Baker
Here's a situation that happened to a "friend". He was interested in doing an in-depth review on a winery and went about buying whatever he could find at retail and then contacted the winery to see if he can purchase some back vintages. The winery asked about the interest and was thrilled to hear about my "friend's" wishes to do a vertical and horizontal tasting of their wines. They are ...
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Harlan Bernstein replied 2 years, 7 months ago
brad- my first reaction is that , assuming this was for publication, i would not have sent them the notes prior to it being published or at least sure to be published. the winery was trying to influence the review by questioning his skill. i guess if he gave an off vintage 100 pts. they would gladly tell him he is a genius. to cozy for my taste. your friend tried to be gracious , but by offering...

Ed Murray replied 2 years, 7 months ago
Well, is your "friend" qualified? If so, then no problem. While your "friend" has a right to his/her opinion, they also have a right to theirs. I wouldn't be too broken up about it.

Justin Wells replied 2 years, 7 months ago
What are his credentials?

David Klinger replied 2 years, 7 months ago
though i'm certainly no critic/reviewer, i'd say the epidode you describe Brad is about misplaced expectations. your friend was looking to better understand a winery's production across vintages and product lines (different wines). he felt capable of judging for himself. the winery hoped to garner good press, without specifiying anything about what happens if the results were not to ...

Mark Squires replied 2 years, 7 months ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Brad Baker For those of you who are critics/reviewers (and anyone else), do you get this alot? How do you react? Some of the harshest reviews I published last year resulted in wineries more or less agreeing with me. I've had a one or two people lobbying for higher scores, not with justification IMHO....

Brad Baker replied 2 years, 7 months ago
As for the reviewer in question here. I wouldn't consider them a professional. They get paid locally to publish some reviews, but I would consider my "friend" an amateur. Based on my experiences and ones from my "friend", I've never quite seen a reply like this. Now we're not pros so maybe the wineries don't care as much, but I've trashed wines on this board (and other places) and had ...

Keith Levenberg replied 2 years, 7 months ago
Probably best not to ask for the freebies in the first place, to avoid both awkward situations like this and the unspoken expectation that the freebies can sway the review.

p. raghib replied 2 years, 7 months ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Keith Levenberg Probably best not to ask for the freebies in the first place, to avoid both awkward situations like this and the unspoken expectation that the freebies can sway the review. I don't think anyone 'asked' for freebies. I think the "friend" was interested in buying back vintages/wines not ...

p. raghib replied 2 years, 7 months ago
I believe I was at this tasting with Brad and his friend, if this is the case then the winery should really have nothing to be ashamed about so long as the recognize the context. What I mean by that is a winery making $20something wines shouldn't hold themself up to/expect a similar score to a $100+ wine. They have to recognize that while they may be a fine value wine, they are not or will ...

Fred Bower replied 2 years, 7 months ago
Keith, I believe that the free samples were not solicited, but rather were offered. I agree that any special considerations given lead to a conflict of interest risk. Where the line exists is hard to define, however, as library releases are not generally available, so the mere request for library stock is a "special request" not necessarily available to the general public in the first place...

 

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Brad Baker
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Published (2007-08-14 09:40:00)
I completely understand the situation with freebies, but don't most reviewers accept unsolicited bottles under the context that they are for review and an honest opinion will result? As mentioned above, to my knowledge, no free bottles were asked for. As back vintages were not readily available, a request was made asking if any could be purchased (I see nothing wrong with asking this question; how do you ever know if you don't ask)...
Ed Murray
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Published (2007-08-14 12:36:00)
There really isn't enough information here to support an opinion either way. Without seeing the notes and without seeing all the correspondence from the winery it's all just speculation.
p. raghib
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Published (2007-08-14 08:55:00)
I believe I was at this tasting with Brad and his friend, if this is the case then the winery should really have nothing to be ashamed about so long as the recognize the context. What I mean by that is a winery making $20something wines shouldn't hold themself up to/expect a similar score to a $100+ wine. They have to recognize that while they may be a fine value wine, they are not or will likely ever be world class.
Brad Coelho
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Published (2007-08-14 09:53:00)
They said he couldn't buy them, but they'll send them free for a 'review?' Then got pissed that it wasn't overtly complementary? Whomever the producer is sounds like a junior varsity player.
Walt Hoehler
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If the winery was comfortable (having seen this person's work) that the proposed reviewer was qualified to judge the wine before the tasting, and then changed their opinion of the reviewer after, that says it all. Truth be told, the winery has no idea who is or isn't qualified (outside of professional...and lets not drift into that debate), and was really taking their chances.
Harlan Bernstein
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brad- my first reaction is that , assuming this was for publication, i would not have sent them the notes prior to it being published or at least sure to be published. the winery was trying to influence the review by questioning his skill. i guess if he gave an off vintage 100 pts. they would gladly tell him he is a genius. to cozy for my taste. your friend tried to be gracious , but by offering to retaste certain wines (why not consider...
Jason Brandt Lewis
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Published (2007-08-14 10:08:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Brad Baker For those of you who are critics/reviewers (and anyone else), do you get this alot? How do you react? Brad, Random thoughts . . . . As an ex- professional wine writer, I have to admit that most of the time I did an "in-depth review on a winery," I actually went to the winery. I would suggest that your friend did a tasting, nothing more. That tasting may have been extensive, even...
Mary Baker
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Published (2007-08-14 10:23:00)
Speaking as a winery owner, the winery's comments indicate a lack of marketing experience and professionalism. Sadly, it does often happen. Sometimes wineries who are new on the scene think they are God's gift to the wine industry. Other times the "marketing" department is the winemaker's sister-in-law . . . Sending out samples is like planting a garden. Some seeds sprout, some don't. I don't review...
Justin Wells
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Published (2007-08-14 00:03:00)
What are his credentials?
Eric Anderson
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Published (2007-08-14 10:39:00)
Such is the scoring/review game -- and any winery certainly must know that! Each and every time a winery submits (for fee or for free) their wines to anyone for a critique, they're tossing the dice. If they don't like the game or expect only positive outcomes - they shouldn't play the game. The only query or request for reconsideration I've ever had from a winery was their read of my descriptor...

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