Thread: Positive redline / Negative blueline graphs

Quote: Originally Posted by xx23 At the same time, what about a great LAGgy player who knows exactly when to shift gears/slow down in pots? Wouldn't they lose a lot of money from their red line from barreling and getting into many pots with marginal holdings only to let go on later streets, but win a ton at showdown from when players pay them off in huge pots due to their image? Well even good LAG's don't get their money in bad...

There is an obvious reason that as you move up the stakes your red line winnings go up and blue line go down. Aggression, you have less and less chance to get your hand to showdown because people are not giving free cards as often at higher stakes, they are double and triple barreling more often etc.

Welcome to 3betting and river barreling

I'm not very familiar with poker trackers, but I imagine in a given game everyone's blue line has to equal out to even so even if the winners all have negative bluelines, the losers must have comparitively high bluelines. If a high red line and low blue line are more common ABC poker will not necessarily dominate, but certainly having a slightly tighter range than average and being able to showdown the best hand would be optimal.

Is it reasonable to think that variance will be lower for people with positive non-showdown winnings? I feel like it is, but I don't know why. Maybe because there are more smaller 'events'? As opposed to people who wait for top hands who would have fewer, but larger 'events'.

it's just about how you bluff how your weak

At the same time, what about a great LAGgy player who knows exactly when to shift gears/slow down in pots? Wouldn't they lose a lot of money from their red line from barreling and getting into many pots with marginal holdings only to let go on later streets, but win a ton at showdown from when players pay them off in huge pots due to their image?

My blueline is massively positive while my redline is waaayyyy down negative. Then again since I started at Ongame I've almost stopped barreling at the microlimits, it just so much more profitable going for 'fat value'. One imagines this will have to change as I move up.

100% convinced that looking at blue anmd red graphs are useless (in terms of thinking that both need to be high). There is no justification theorywise for it be. It's like saying I noticed I am losing money with 36s, therefore I need to adjust my play.

Quote: Originally Posted by chardy this makes no sense e.g you play draws aggressively lets say you c/r nfd on flop you run into air part of opponents range he folds red line goes up, you run into top part of opponents range overpair, 2pr+ you stack off and have somewhere between 30-40% equity how exactly does this reduce variance. glad I saw this in time cuz I was gonna say the same...