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Originally Posted by UCMENOMOR
I was wondering why would the Japenese even think about carrying out a task such as this, and could it have been stopeed from the inside?
I don't know what you mean as being "stopped from the inside."
However, attacking US forces at Pearl Harbor using aircraft was not a far...
I actually do not know why the japenese did it in my mind I think they did it just to got to war.
I mean you know how we had suspicions could we have done something to stop them.
Japan wanted to dominate China economically, and kept their own monopoly with military force. America, ever confident in its capitalists, demanded an open door policy for free trade for all nations (in which Japan's industry would be easily muscled out by the far more capable and powerful U.S. industry).
In several months of diplomatic back-and-forth, America demanded Japan cease its ...
Ruled by a military government that wouldn't face the shame of giving in to - what they considered humiliating - American demands, Japan resolved to secure natural resources militarily. Basing their planning on American War Plans drawn up in the 1920s/30s, but largely abandoned by 1941, they sought to knock out the Pacific battlefleet at the outset and secure the path to South East Asia.
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Originally Posted by Sher Khan
What do you mean by 'inside', though?
I meant, also if we would have know about could we have somehow undercoverly stopped it.
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Originally Posted by UCMENOMOR
I meant, also if we would have know about could we have somehow undercoverly stopped it.
Ofcourse, but it was highly unlikley that Japan would have done it so america didn't pay attention to it.
maybe he didn't want to take any chances? congress would've thought they could repel any jap attack and would find no reason to go to war and loose more american lives. It's not the fact that the japs wanted to attack the US that started the war it was the secrecy and lives lost. They knew the japs would've attacked eventually. They pocked the bear and got surprised when the bear ...
Well if the American government and military was smart enough cover up foreknowledge of an attack on PH, wouldn't you think they'd be smart enough to justify preventing it by military means?
The conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense. On the surface it is appealing, but it falls apart under scrutiny.
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Haha, myths based on the shoddiest of reasoning are quite entertaining. Let's see... The United States government willingly allowed its greatest fleet and tens of thousands of men to hang to dry so they could make some money in a war, despite the fact that it already stood to make large sums in loans to Europe and was already in an undeclared state ...
Quote: Originally Posted by Wizav85 Tell me where the oil came from then , You seem to know all about it. Quite a bit of it had to be synthesized. You are aware of Germany's chronic oil shortages? Quite odd, that, since they were apparently being sold oil by all sorts of American companies. Quote: When did i say america was responsible for germany's actions? You should read my posts again. "Funny considering america was...
Quote: No, they didn't. Tell me where the oil came from then , You seem to know all about it. Quote: So now we are shifting the argument from large corporations to single individuals. Alrighty . . . at least we are showing that equating such things with America being responsible for Germany's actions is utterly ridiculous. When did i say america was responsible for germany's actions? You should read my posts again. Quote:...
Quote: Originally Posted by Sher Khan What do you mean by 'inside', though? I meant, also if we would have know about could we have somehow undercoverly stopped it.
Quote: Originally Posted by Wizav85 Read this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate What about that page answers my rhetorical question? All I see is a list of popularised myths that fuel the conspiracy theory. They also appear to be addressed by the author of the article in such a way as to dismiss them all as nothing more than misinterpretations of the issues leading up to the attack on PH
Quote: Originally Posted by UCMENOMOR I meant, also if we would have know about could we have somehow undercoverly stopped it. Ofcourse, but it was highly unlikley that Japan would have done it so america didn't pay attention to it.
Quote: GM and Ford built over 80% of Nazi half-track's and over 60% of there medium and heavyduty trucks during the war. According to america's own intelligence reports the backbone of the Nazi transportation system was built by GM and Ford. Germany would have been very weak if you didnt supply them with so much. So the thing is at what point Wizav85 would you have stopped American companies from operating in Germany? Was it OK to...
It was IG Farben you're thinking of not Standard Oil... GM and Ford played both sides, but they were private companies not a government entity. You can't blame the US for that anymore than you can blame the UK for Mosley.
maybe he didn't want to take any chances? congress would've thought they could repel any jap attack and would find no reason to go to war and loose more american lives. It's not the fact that the japs wanted to attack the US that started the war it was the secrecy and lives lost. They knew the japs would've attacked eventually. They pocked the bear and got surprised when the bear turned around and pocked back prolly why...
Quote: Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker The Japanese position wasn't all that stupid during that time and if they had succeeded in taking out those carriers the outcome of the conflict might have been quite different. In hindsight, if the Japanese had succeeded completely with their surprise attack then all I see changed is the war going better for Japan until USA decides to drop nukes. Due to the war having gone better, more nukes...
Quote: Originally Posted by motiv-8 The attack on Pearl Harbor was the result of a long train of thought and events from years beforehand. For some time the Japanese had been rampaging through the north of China, and as Sher Khan stated above that caused a problem for European powers who had until then enjoyed wide economic freedom in the country. That is when the first trade embargoes began, though mostly from the British and the French. In...
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