Thread: Objective moral values don't exist

Quote: What I keep hearing you say, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that you believe morality to be: In general I don't like to be hurt/suffer, most humans don't like to be hurt/suffer, therefore we should not hurt or cause the suffering of other humans. Is this a correct analysis of your view? In some ways, but not exclusively. There are many reasons why people think some things are wrong and some things aren't. For...

Emily, I hope you're doing well today. I forgot that WLC speaks directly to what we've been talking about. Check this out (it's only one article ) http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5767

Emily - - - The Hindu feeds the cow and lets the orphan starve.  The Christian feeds the child.  Is that just arbitrary?  Or is it possible that one of these actions is actually more right than the other, in an objective sense, apart from human opinion?  Would it be incorrect and inaccurate to say that, in truth, one ought to feed the child?  

Emily, Quote: I'm only assuming that as a fellow human, you will see things in a similar fashion. Namely, that killing children is wrong. This is where I have a problem with your view of morality.  You're saying that because we are both human we should share the same view of what is right and wrong but then you've said morality is only a perception.  If it is only perception then it...

I really like the Scottland example in that book and video.

Hi, all. I've just been thinking hard about Plantinga's Ontological Argument for the existence of God. It occurs to me that similar logic could apply to Objective Morality. It's only rough, but here's what I've come up with so far: 1) Objective Morality, if it exists, is a body of commands which for all moral beings are inherently obligatory. 2) If such a Law exists, as an inherent obligation its...

Silentmatt, The subject here is whether or not objective moral values do exist, though I'm not sure how far others have gone off subject. Emily, I've read a few of your posts and you seem to hold that objective moral values do not exist, though correct me if I am wrong. I've thought about this a lot lately and came up with some ideas... thanks to what I've read in this thread. ARGUMENT FOR OBJECTIVE MORAL VALUES  ...

Quote: How can they possibly be contradicting themselves seeing that they are admitting from the outset that it is just their opinion and their opinion isn't true anywhere but on a subjective level? Hey Elisha, I think we're talking past eachother a bit and using different meanings for the same words. First, the reason I think they are contradicting themselves if they really do believe murder is wrong is because to...

Quote: I don't believe that there is a computer property either. Sure you do. You believe certain objects exhibit certain physical properties which make them computers. And if people disagree -- e.g. if people claim that computers are oranges -- you don't just think of them as having a different opinion of the object in question. You think of them as having a wrong perception of reality. Quote: ...so I'm not sure what exactly...

Hey guys, today I lied to someone....and I knew it was coming before I even did it. I hardly ever lied, but I lied to someone because I wanted to impress them a little. Now, I felt really bad after this. I started to think, if we are products of naturalism, why do you get such a guilty feeling after lying to someone? You know what's so odd? as i said before, I hardly ever lie...and that's the truth (no lie there). When I am...