Thread: Obama: I will end Dont ask Dont tell.

The arguments for keeping DADT in place are non-sensical and unfounded. The military's brass have concluded that it not only hurts: readiness, cohesion and the overall strength of the military; but it uniquely hurts the fields of translators where a disproportionate amount of soldiers are being discharged because of DADT. We are also the only first world country to have a policy that is not accommodating to homosexuals serving openly. As...

Quote: Originally Posted by IntheNet Interestingly enough, DADT was advanced by Clinton & Co. for DoD with similar "simplification" sentiments that you mention... At that time, it was the "simple" solution... It was a cop-out that created more problems than before. It was indeed a special set of rules designed for a certain group of people. And Clinton was an a**hole. I never liked him. But he was a...

Quote: Originally Posted by IntheNet There is always a lobby in Washington that wish to change things to cater to their perspective. Generally those wishing change are a fringe group who seek advocacy by pushing their perspective upon others rather than seeking consensus. Contrasted with these fringe groups is the overwhelming majority that promulgate traditional solutions. The answer here is quite clear and it typically involves the...

Quote: Originally Posted by FreeState And thats just the last 10 years - this policy has been in place for 17 years... so its much higher than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don&#39...pact_of_policy When you get booted for being gay is it dishonorable discharge? If not then at least those people got some good training and maybe landed good jobs somewhere else at the very least. If it is dishonorable discharge thats even more...

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Quote: Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn Id find it a bit uncomfortable in a "why are you telling me this?" way if a gay guy started telling me sex stories in detail like straight guys do. Quote: Originally Posted by PcBgone Do you understand the effects of what BO is proposing or what the gay community is proposing? There are many who will hurt, or kill homosexuals. I dont like homosexuality myself, however I wont hurt...

Quote: Originally Posted by Queso We're asking to be treated the same as everyone else. Nothing more nothing less. If you want laws passed just for you that's not asking for equal treatment? Rather than demanding that laws be passed that specifically focus on one group why not demand equal treatment under the existing laws (enough of the existing laws cover things just fine when enforced). And demand discriminating text of some...

Quote: Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn When you get booted for being gay is it dishonorable discharge? If not then at least those people got some good training and maybe landed good jobs somewhere else at the very least. If it is dishonorable discharge thats even more ****ed up. When I was in the military, the discharges I was aware of were mosty general discharges.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gray-Wolf What about the reverse bigotedness, of the gays against the anti-gays. It IS bigotry as well... Do you really think that those who are serving in the closet are suddenly gonna start beating up others now that they are free to be themselves?

Quote: Originally Posted by PcBgone Do you understand the effects of what BO is proposing or what the gay community is proposing? There are many who will hurt, or kill homosexuals. I dont like homosexuality myself, however I wont hurt anyone that participates in such things. But there are others that would. Do you understand that Dont Tell Dont Ask keeps a "lid" on things? If someone who is openly homosexual in the military...