Steyn, imo, pretty much has this nailed. Our own timidity is a danger:
For the purposes of argument , let's accept the media's insistence that Major Hasan is a lone crazy.
So who's nuttier?
The guy who gives a lecture to other military doctors in which he says non-Muslims should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats?
Or the guys who say "Hey, let's have this ...
The problem is in punishing an entire group based on the actions of one. There are many Muslims in the armed services who are good honest decent people. To generalize this would be like doing the same to Christians because a Christian blew up a federal building in Kansas.
I agree that this guy had warning signs, but I'm not about to label all Muslims as possible mass murderers.
There ...
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The problem is in punishing an entire group based on the actions of one. There are many Muslims in the armed services who are good honest decent people. To generalize this would be like doing the same to Christians because a Christian blew up a federal building in Kansas.
I agree that this ...
Political correctness and national security are inversely related.
I don't think it is arguable that Muslim immigration and open borders don't have an adverse effect on security. One can argue about the magnitude of the effect on security of holding the borders open for cheap labor, immigrants who despise the US, MS-13, Mexican drug cartels, Chinese spies, and so forth, but not that there ...
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Political correctness and national security are inversely related.
I don't think it is arguable that Muslim immigration and open borders don't have an adverse effect on security. One can argue about the magnitude of the effect on security of holding the borders open for cheap labor, immigrants who...
Steyn hates Muslims, so his opinions need to be taken with a few fat grains.
Also, think of him as a more intellectual and erudite form of Ann Coulter--he delights in being provocative, in outraging people. Now, I believe there's a place for polemicists in our discourse. But all their opinions must be decoded (because of the intentional shock value), and so can't be taken at face value.
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There's a lot of massive over-generalizations in there. Are the vast majority of immigrants national security threats?
I didn't suggest such a thing, only that the magnitude is arguable. One Klaus Fuchs, or 19 9/11 hijackers, or one high level spy can do a lot of damage....
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I didn't suggest such a thing, only that the magnitude is arguable. One Klaus Fuchs, or 19 9/11 hijackers, or one high level spy can do a lot of damage.
Well you claim that liberals supposedly value diversity over national security. What do you propose? Cutting off immigration ...
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Political correctness and national security are inversely related.
They are actually not at all inversely related. They are directly proportional.
Go ahead. Run an experiment. If you are white go out to a black neighborhood and repeatedly yell out "ni**er". Do you think ...
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Well you claim that liberals supposedly value diversity over national security. What do you propose? Cutting off immigration altogether?
Do we need any immigration? Depends if you value Social Security for the Boomers more than long term sustainability of the country. All Ponzi ...
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Do we need any immigration? Depends if you value Social Security for the Boomers more than long term sustainability of the country. All Ponzi schemes become topheavy at some point and fall over.
There are more benefits than threats from immigration, otherwise governments wouldn't ...
Quote: Originally Posted by serenity First of all, 2050 is far enough away that we have to take in profound considerations of variables when discussing demographics. alright. basic multiplication is too complex to be able to use to predict situations out to 2050; but extraordinarily complex climate interactions that take place on a number and breadth of levels that we don't even fully understand we can predict with a great degree of...
Quote: Originally Posted by cpwill wrong . he definitely did want to be part of it. just for the other side . Then why did he try to get out of the Army? He even offered to pay back the money for his education. You actually believe he planned this while going to medical school? How bizarre.
Here's what another individual says, and I agree, wholeheartedly. Quote: If you were an enemy of America, not only would you fight overseas and develop nuclear weapons (Iran), you would also engage in an even more effective strategy by striking at America's underbelly. This is our most vulnerable region because we now tolerate virtually everything, indulge in political correctness and subscribe to a bogus belief that if radical...
Quote: Originally Posted by poyani They are actually not at all inversely related. They are directly proportional. Go ahead. Run an experiment. If you are white go out to a black neighborhood and repeatedly yell out "ni**er". Do you think this will improve your personal security or decrease it? Seems to me bringing in Muslims hostile to the US would be more analogous to black leaders recruiting Klansmen for neighborhood...
Quote: Originally Posted by cpwill maybe Osama was right when he said we were too weak internally, and they would win. It makes one wonder. God I fear for you young bastards! seruiosly!
Quote: Originally Posted by USA-1 Of course we should be asking why he was still in the Army. It probably just came down to laziness. The other question is if he wasn't a Muslim could he still have committed this massacre. Any one from any group can commit an act like this as long as they are in a similar position where they can gain the element of surprise. But I am left wondering why it is when it comes to murderous acts, there are so...
Quote: Originally Posted by CPWill 1. according to Steyn's argument it's not muslim women having 14 babies, but western women having one or none that mean the inevitable Islamification of Europe. Once you get below a birthrate of 2.1; you aren't self-replacing, and the European population is way below that. Russia, for example, is already losing three quarters of a million people a year due to low birthrates; which is why the...
Quote: Originally Posted by cpwill but getting back to the OP: Groucho, would you say that the stuff we've found out since rather indicates that there should have been someone checking into his warning signs? Sending emails to a known supporter of terrorism should have indeed raised warning signs. But that's not what people were saying originally. Many were arguing that the mere fact that he was a Muslim was a warning sign, and...
Quote: Originally Posted by Groucho Sending emails to a known supporter of terrorism should have indeed raised warning signs. But that's not what people were saying originally. Many were arguing that the mere fact that he was a Muslim was a warning sign, and that's what I objected to. And that is my objection as well.
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