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Thread: Nppl? Safe?

Started 1 month, 1 week ago by waspsad
Im a newbie to this forum and have spent hours going through all the useful information here. I am just looking to fly recreationally so looking at the NPPL, maybe upgrade to PPL in the future if i feel like challenging myself that bit more. Of course while flying we all like to keep safe, and i was just wondering by doing the NPPL am i putting myself at more risk than if i did the PPL because i ...
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Genghis the Engineer replied 1 month, 1 week ago
The NPPL is essentially the old UK Microlight PPL extended to light aeroplanes - and as such the test standards are the same, and pretty high: just a slightly thinner syllabus and lower medical standard. So far as I know, the standards of microlight pilots pre-NPPL was pretty much as high as the PPL(A) as was, and the standards now are indistinguishable. So, in my opinion, an NPPL(SEP) ...

IO540 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: they can just do a little less with their licence. Not being able to (easily) fly abroad?

Gertrude the Wombat replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Whilst the minimum legal hours for an NPPL are lower than for a PPL I believe it's generally reckoned that most people won't get the NPPL in the minimum hours any more easily than they'll get the PPL in minimum hours. So the only real benefit is an easier medical. So I would not expect to find a vast number of people choose the NPPL for other reasons?

IO540 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Indeed; I recall reading some numbers a year or two ago, showing that 2/3 of the NPPL applicants were PPL holders who either failed or did not wish to continue their CAA Class 2 medical. In that respect the NPPL was a disappointment to those who wished that it would revitalise the private pilot scene. It is obviously beneficial for the medical side alone, but whether one should do it if ...

Big Pistons Forever replied 1 month, 1 week ago
We had the same outcome in canada with the introduction of the Recreational Pilots license. Virtually everybody that started the RPP ended up continuing on to a full PPL. I think the PPL skill level is the lowest realistic standard of pilot competance and to think it can somehow be achieved in less hours through some other training scheme is simply wishfull thinking. I think the terrible accident...

tangovictor replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I hold the nppl m, and fly a fast 3 axis composite microlight, the only difference I can make out re training is, I was never taught nav aids also the two nav exercises required are two leg, rather than three with the full ppl. I would imagine most people have different reasons to go for either, my thoughts were, I don't wish to earn a living flying, I don't want to fly at night or by ...

BroomstickPilot replied 1 month, 1 week ago
NPPL I thoroughly agree with Gertrude and IO540. So far as I am concerned, unless you really need the lower medical standard of the NPPL, it is otherwise a waste of money. You are much better advised to spend just a little extra and get the full PPL. I also agree with Big Pistons regarding the French Brevet de Bas. If EASA should...

BEagle replied 1 month, 1 week ago
One of the original ideas behind the NPPL (SSEA) was that an applicant could get his/her NPPL one year, then enjoy flying with or without passengers for a while, before coming back to do the 'top-up' training for the JAR-FCL PPL(A) later. This doesn't seem to have happened. Of course the training schools make more money out of a JAR-FCL PPL(A) student, so aren't too keen on promoting ...

englishal replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Unfortunately JAR doesn't make very good allowances to "top up" anything. Having reduced minimums is a false economy because one has to actually be able to fly and land an aeroplane, which to learn to do in under 45 hrs would be exceedingly difficult, or you'd have to have previous flying experience.

BEagle replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Well, I drafted the top-up requirements, the CAA agreed that they met JAR-FCL requirements and they were later published in LASORS. NPPL(SSEA) to JAR-FCL PPL(A) top-up requirements have stood the test of time unchanged for quite a few years now - but again, it is clear that very few flying schools are aware of the requirements. It seems that either it's all too difficult for them, or ...

 

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IO540
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Published (2009-11-18 10:16:00)
If aviation regulation was really evidence based, at least 90% of the rules we have would disappear immediately
Genghis the Engineer
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Published (2009-11-16 15:02:00)
I'm pretty certain that our chap means NPPL(M) --> NPPL(SEP)? Anyhow, the answer is at page 2 of this document . G
BEagle
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Published (2009-11-16 13:44:00)
It depends upon what you mean by 'a sep licence'.....
tangovictor
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Published (2009-11-18 02:30:00)
when I received my nppl m, it was for life, pending periodical medicals, then the goal posts got moved, and a revalidation has to be taken, although I have never been informed of this officially, it wouldn't hurt, the CAA / NPPL people advising all nppl holders of the change.
XXPLOD
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My NPPL medical was most amusing. I was a custody sergeant at the time. When a friendly police surgeon attended for one of our detainees - "Doc - whilst you're here......" Cost - £ZERO!!! I hasten to add, he did complete a proper medical, not just sign the form!
Gertrude the Wombat
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Published (2009-11-16 16:51:00)
Quote: Also ORS4 no. 711 (now no. 756) was launched without any RIA, so NPLG is losing revenue to SEP pilots able to use these exemptions with their UK-issued pilot licences who would otherwise have needed a NPPL(SSEA). That's an interesting take on it - I had wondered what the RIA had to say about the potential for lots of PPL AMEs going out of business, but if there was no RIA that answers my question!
englishal
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Published (2009-11-16 19:23:00)
Quote: I also agree with Big Pistons regarding the French Brevet de Bas. If EASA should eventually decide to foist upon us a euro-ised version of this grossly inadequate 'qualification', then don't touch it with a barge pole. Broomstick. I read that as the "Brevet de Bas" is grossly inadequate - and it is really.
David Roberts
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Yes, we have been known to ask the same question.....!
Crash one
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Published (2009-11-21 11:56:00)
Quote: a friendly police surgeon attended for one of our detainees - "Doc - whilst you're here......" I thought it was supposed to be your own GP who has your medical records to refer to rather than just any passing consultant brain surgeon?
waspsad
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Published (2009-11-15 22:09:00)
Im a newbie to this forum and have spent hours going through all the useful information here. I am just looking to fly recreationally so looking at the NPPL, maybe upgrade to PPL in the future if i feel like challenging myself that bit more. Of course while flying we all like to keep safe, and i was just wondering by doing the NPPL am i putting myself at more risk than if i did the PPL because i havent had as many training hours? Are there any...

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