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Thread: Matching impedance with coax

Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago by amdx
Hi all, I'm trying to get an understanding of the MFJ-1800 wifi antenna. The antenna has a folded loop as the active element. Is this considered to have a 300 ohm output impedance? The folded loop is connected to 2.11 inches of 50 ohm coax that goes to an N connector. The coax has 4 torroids on it. It looks like a polyethylene core material. So I used .66 as a VF. With that I get a .66 ...
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Dave Platt replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
In article <8fb2d$4af0dcbd$18ec6dd7$28165@KNOLOGY.NET>, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: > I'm trying to get an understanding of the MFJ-1800 wifi antenna. >The antenna has a folded loop as the active element. >Is this considered to have a 300 ohm output impedance? Not necessarily. A folded dipole will have a 300-ohm impedance only under certain conditions of design and use. The ...

Helmut Wabnig replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:24:19 -0800, dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote: >In article <8fb2d$4af0dcbd$18ec6dd7$28165@KNOLOGY.NET>, >amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: > >> I'm trying to get an understanding of the MFJ-1800 wifi antenna. >>The antenna has a folded loop as the active element. >>Is this considered to have a 300 ohm output impedance? > >Not necessarily. > >A folded ...

amdx replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat> wrote in message news:8md2f59ettu430tuhbbusulgg28vtmc17h@4ax.com.. . > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:24:19 -0800, dPlatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) > wrote: > >>In article <8fb2d$4af0dcbd$18ec6dd7$28165@KNOLOGY.NET>, >>amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to get an understanding of the MFJ-1800 wifi antenna. >>>The antenna has a folded...

who where replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:24:19 -0800, dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote: >In article <8fb2d$4af0dcbd$18ec6dd7$28165@KNOLOGY.NET>, >amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: > >> I'm trying to get an understanding of the MFJ-1800 wifi antenna. >>The antenna has a folded loop as the active element. >>Is this considered to have a 300 ohm output impedance? > >Not necessarily. (snip) >...

Tom replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
who where wrote: >> I suspect that the design of the MFJ antenna was done in a way which >> places the parasitic elements close enough to reduce the folded >> dipole's impedance to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 ohms. All >> that would be necessary, then, to allow a direct feed from a 50-ohm >> coax, would be a choke balun (to convert the unbalanced coax feed to a >> balanced drive...

who where replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:10:53 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote: >who where wrote: >>> I suspect that the design of the MFJ antenna was done in a way which >>> places the parasitic elements close enough to reduce the folded >>> dipole's impedance to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 ohms. All >>> that would be necessary, then, to allow a direct feed from a 50-ohm >>> coax, ...

who where Guest replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:10:53 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote: >who where wrote: >>> I suspect that the design of the MFJ antenna was done in a way which >>> places the parasitic elements close enough to reduce the folded >>> dipole's impedance to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 ohms. All >>> that would be necessary, then, to allow a direct feed from a 50-ohm >>> coax, ...

Tom replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
who where wrote: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:10:53 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote: > >> who where wrote: >>>> I suspect that the design of the MFJ antenna was done in a way which >>>> places the parasitic elements close enough to reduce the folded >>>> dipole's impedance to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 ohms. All >>>> that would be necessary, then, to allow a direct feed ...

Tom Guest replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
who where wrote: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:10:53 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote: > >> who where wrote: >>>> I suspect that the design of the MFJ antenna was done in a way which >>>> places the parasitic elements close enough to reduce the folded >>>> dipole's impedance to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 ohms. All >>>> that would be necessary, then, to allow a direct feed ...

Richard Clark replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:52:18 -0600, tom <news4792@taring.org> wrote: >> Well you can believe what you like. > >I believe what occurs and is measurable. Hi Tom, It's amazing how after a period of silence, BOTH Art and Jaro pop up at the same time. Does Art have an antipodes sock-puppet? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC

 

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amdx
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Published (2009-11-10 04:00:00)
&quot;Jeff Liebermann&quot; &lt;jeffl@cruzio.com&gt; wrote in message news:h60ff55vd3ctrjopff7m879a8i3th148ah@4ax.com... &gt; On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:06:49 -0600, &quot;amdx&quot; &lt;amdx@knology.net&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt;Ok, here are some more pictures. If anyone is so interested that they want &gt;&gt;to &gt;&gt;model the antenna I'll post picures or dimensions or both of...
Jeff Liebermann
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Published (2009-11-09 05:38:00)
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:17:57 -0800, dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote: &gt;&gt; Odd multiples of 1/4 wavelength will neatly transform the endpoint &gt;&gt; impedances according to: &gt;&gt; Zcoax = sqrt (Zin * Zout) &gt;&gt; or &gt;&gt; Zcoax^2 = Zin * Zout &gt;&gt; So, with a 50 ohm load, 75 ohm coax, and 3/4 wavelengths of coax: &gt;&gt; Zout = 112.5 ohms &gt;&gt; which is...
Richard Clark
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Published (2009-11-09 08:53:00)
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:09:27 -0800, Jeff Liebermann &lt;jeffl@cruzio.com&gt; wrote: &gt;Well, I previous guestimated that the 6 mm of exposed center conductor &gt;at the coax connector was good for about 3 nH or about 45 ohms at &gt;2.4Ghz. If the balun represents 50 ohms from the antenna, then the RF &gt;power is roughly split evenly between being radiated by the 6 mm &gt;&quot;leak&quot; and going to the...
Richard Clark Guest
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:32:25 +0800, who where &lt;noone@home.net&gt; wrote: &gt;you seem to need the limelight, posting a name and callsign. Yeah, as a longstanding convention for thousands of posters here, it is a strange thing about being public and open in this world isn't it? If you can't put your name to it, then any posting is only vacant spam. &quot;No one at home&quot; informs us all about quality. On the...
who where Guest
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:55:19 -0600, tom &lt;news4792@taring.org&gt; wrote: &gt;who where wrote: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Whatever - and whoever Art is. I wonder why people like you carry on &gt;&gt; at a personal level towards posters whose views you don't share. And &gt;&gt; you seem to need the limelight, posting a name and callsign. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm describing how the...
Tom
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Published (2009-11-07 02:55:00)
who where wrote: &gt; &gt; Whatever - and whoever Art is. I wonder why people like you carry on &gt; at a personal level towards posters whose views you don't share. And &gt; you seem to need the limelight, posting a name and callsign. &gt; &gt; I'm describing how the matching IS done commercially. You can crap on &gt; forever if you wish about how you might do it. Fini. The &quot;ways it's done...
who where
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Matching impedance with coax
Published (2009-11-07 14:20:00)
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:55:19 -0600, tom &lt;news4792@taring.org&gt; wrote: &gt;who where wrote: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Whatever - and whoever Art is. I wonder why people like you carry on &gt;&gt; at a personal level towards posters whose views you don't share. And &gt;&gt; you seem to need the limelight, posting a name and callsign. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm describing how the...
Tom Guest
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Published (2009-11-07 02:55:00)
who where wrote: &gt; &gt; Whatever - and whoever Art is. I wonder why people like you carry on &gt; at a personal level towards posters whose views you don't share. And &gt; you seem to need the limelight, posting a name and callsign. &gt; &gt; I'm describing how the matching IS done commercially. You can crap on &gt; forever if you wish about how you might do it. Fini. The &quot;ways it's done...
Dave Platt
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Published (2009-11-09 02:17:00)
&gt; Odd multiples of 1/4 wavelength will neatly transform the endpoint &gt; impedances according to: &gt; Zcoax = sqrt (Zin * Zout) &gt; or &gt; Zcoax^2 = Zin * Zout &gt; So, with a 50 ohm load, 75 ohm coax, and 3/4 wavelengths of coax: &gt; Zout = 112.5 ohms &gt; which is a bit closer to what I would expect to see with a folded &gt; dipole antenna. Another thing to note: based on the pictures posted...
atec7 7
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Published (2009-11-09 08:20:00)
Jeff Liebermann wrote: &gt; On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:11:42 +1000, atec7 7 &lt;&quot;atec 77&quot;@hotmail.com&gt; &gt; wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; One wavelength at 2.4Ghz is 12.5cm. Guessing from the photo, there's &gt;&gt;&gt; a total of about 15mm of exposed conductor. That's about 1/8th &gt;&gt;&gt; wavelenth, which will still radiate rather badly, but not as badly as...

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