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Thread: Mandatory Life Terms for Teens - Cruel & Unusual Punishment?

Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Palenque
Well that is the Q right now before the U.S. Supreme Court - sentencing under age folk - under the age of majority - i.e. being an adult - to mandatory life terms for crirmes they commited before say reaching 18 or even 16 or even in some ridiculous occasions 12 or 13 it seems. I do hope the Court considers this throw away the key for minors to indeed be cruel and unusual ...
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avalon replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
I believe the court case involves non-violent crimes being punished with life sentences. I too believe it is inhumane. Never thought about the liquor law aspect. Interesting. I hope the justices act appropriately

bdjtbenson replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Pal, What's the crime? Who's the criminal? Are they competent to stand trial for their crime? I certainly hope the Supreme Court doesn't eliminate the possibility for life without parole for juveniles as a blanket measure. If nothing else, it would encourage gangs to use juveniles to perform murders and drug cartels to use juveniles for hits, kidnapping and other violent acts. As ...

alanRow replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Do other countries commonly use sentences where you leave jail only in a pine box?

Palenque replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
I certainly hope the Supreme Court doesn't eliminate the possibility for life without parole for juveniles as a blanket measure. If nothing else, it would encourage gangs to use juveniles to perform murders and drug cartels to use juveniles for hits, kidnapping and other violent acts.> well i hope the Court does give a blanket ban on mandatory life sentences for any crime and under 18s ...

Iowa_Redhead replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
The reason for this is because some kids are simply monsters and do so much harm even before they're 18. The point of imposing adult sentencing on kids is because a 16 year old DOES know that setting someone on fire is illegal and that it will likely kill them. It doesn't matter to me that a kids brain isn't fully developed. At 16 I knew perfectly well that certain things were wrong, ...

alanRow replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
<<< The reason for this is because some kids are simply monsters and do so much harm even before they're 18. >>> Whilst that is true in a small number of cases, the use of mandatory life sentences is typical US overkill as it always results in absurd results (remember 3 strikes and you are out which gave life sentences to people committing minor crimes)

bennyb replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Giving life sentences for violent crimes is to protect the public. The reason under-21 cannot drink is so they cannot drink AND drive. And that is also to protect the public. I don't see a paradox. By the time people are teenagers, they know murder is wrong and that death is forever. Some just don't care. Locking them up ruins their lives, but saves the lives of other innocent people....

alanRow replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
<<< You can go to war at 18 >>> About 1 in 10 of the British dead in Afghanistan were teenagers

bdjtbenson replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
alan, An acquaintance in high school murdered a liquor store clerk while a freshman (9th grade). The shotgun he used was stolen during a burglary with the same older teens he held up the liquor store with. I know the group was into drugs but didn't know them well enough to know what drugs (amphetamines were commonly used when I was in high school). He was tried, convicted, sent to a ...

alanRow replied 1 month, 3 weeks ago
bennyb - but it's OK to train them to kill and be killed

 

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Palenque
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Published (2009-11-30 13:05:00)
do you have the right thread?
alanRow
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Published (2009-11-11 12:23:00)
&lt;&lt;&lt; I don't believe in the case of the 13 year of who got life without parole and was tried as an adult that is is equitable to sentence him to life when nationwide other ADULTS only get (on average) 10 years for rape. &gt;&gt;&gt; Especially when his older accomplices who were the main perpetrators of this rape were given light sentences
nanabee
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No one is comparing dumb pranks at 15 to serious felonies. I am saying and scientific evidence supports this - children's brains are not fully formed and they do not understand consequences of their actions, the part of the brain that is responsible for this is not the same as in adult brains. I do, however, believe children can and should be tried as adults when the crime is horific. I don't believe in the case of the 13 year of...
degas
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Published (2009-11-10 23:29:00)
I think some of you are trying very hard to equate pulling dumb pranks at 15 with murder, rape, setting people on fire..... . Obviously, TPing a house won't land you in jail for 30 years, but murdering an old lady for her purse damn sure should!
Michel_Paris
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all of you obviously lived a clean and pure teenage life
kureiff
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Do I still think minors should have the possibility of parole? Yes.
Ryan
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Published (2009-11-30 13:10:00)
I have the right thread. Was topping this thread given the information coming out of Seattle and the thread started today blasting Huckabee. Just wondering of people will be situationally outraged about Huckabee's commutation or whether they'll be consistent with the views expressed on this thread.
Iowa_Redhead
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Published (2009-11-10 20:25:00)
Religion should not matter for the law. I don't care if you're christian, muslim or other, it doesn't matter when you're talking about law. If the question is should people be subject to life without a chance of parole, if they are *charged* as an adult while they are still a minor, then my answer is yes. If they are charged as a minor, then no. To me, how they are charged is the absolute difference. If they are charged as...
girlonthego
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wellididntknowthat, I was just stating what catholics believe. I don't agree with my own religion on the death penalty, but it is what catholics believe in general and last I checked that is a christian religion.
annhig
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Published (2009-11-11 13:55:00)
degas et al are missing the point. [in your case degas, presumably deliberately, as you are brighter than some of your contributions would suggest]. the question is not whether these youngsters should get parole, but whether they can be CONSIDERED for it. the example given by Pal of the 13 year old accomplice to rape who got a more severe sentence than the actual perpetrators is a case in point. How can a 13 year old understand all the...

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