Thread: Loudest cab with the smallest size/weight?
Started 1 month, 4 weeks ago by aborgman
So what is the loudest, punchiest cab with the smallest size and weight?
I'm reasonably happy with my current cab(SWR Redhead 2x10") sound wise - but it's a little thinner sounding than I'd like. Not quite punchy enough.
I'd also like something a little more maximum volume potential - there have been a few times where the 2x10" had a hard time keeping up.
I'm not a ludicrous tone ...
can you add which one has the most impressive low end for the size to the suggestions too please!
some of these little things lack a nice big bottom ;-)
Although I haven't personally had experience with them, I've never heard anything but rave reviews for Bill Fitzmaurice's DIY cabs. I'm actually going to be building a keyboard cab from him soon.
http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/
At what frequency response?
Loud, Small, Low - pick any two
Bill Fitzmaurice designs are going to do the best. Horn loaded cabinets have fallen out of favor because drivers these day's are much better than they use to be, and amplifiers much more powerful. But there's a compromise you can make to horn load and still stay fairly lightweight.
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Originally Posted by seamonkey
At what frequency response?
Loud, Small, Low - pick any two
Actually you're ignoring another metric - efficient.
You can get loud, small, and pretty low - by being inefficient.
That being said, I ain't playing dub. This is for a rock/classic rock context where I'm ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by seamonkey
At what frequency response?
Loud, Small, Low - pick any two
Actually you're ignoring another metric - efficient.
You can get loud, small, and pretty low - by being inefficient.
That being said, I ain't playing dub. This is for a rock/classic rock context where I'm ...
[qoute]Loud, Small, Low - pick any two[/quote]
That bears repeating.
I have a Bill Fitzmaurice cab (omni10). It's loud and sounds great, and it's lightweight. I would say it meets your criteria really well. It is not, however, small - it's big for a 210 cab, but it needs to be that size to be both loud and great sounding.
Then again, it compares, volume-wise, with most 410's, and it's ...
If you're not doing dub, I'd consider a vertical 2x12 with 3012HOs and a horn @ 2khz. You should be able to keep the footprint quite narrow (20.5" x 13-14" deep x however tall ought to work well).
While the Schroeders have excellent sound for tiny volume they just cannot do lows worth a darn IMHO. Fart fart fart.
Quote: Originally Posted by rpsands I would estimate at maxspl it should get around 3-6db louder, which is quite a bit. It's tough to say exactly what the real specs are on the Redhead cab but I would guess about 96db real sensitivity is pretty close, and the 3015 can take a lot more watts before distortion than almost any 2x10. The right sized and tuned box with a 3015 will get as loud as an Ampeg 4x10HLF, roughly, to give you a...
Quote: Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice The 3015LF runs about 2dB louder than the Ampeg below 80 Hz, above that the Ampeg will run about 3dB hotter. An Alpha 6 or 8 or for that matter any single midrange isn't going to keep up with four tens, not below 2.5kHz anyway. You'd need a pair of midranges to do that. Sorry, I was talking about the 3015, not the 3015LF. My personal cabinet is a fEarful using a 6nd410 crossed over around...
Quote: Originally Posted by rpsands The 212T is a good cab - decent power handling, sufficient port area, high sensitivity, portable, excellent dispersion for a bass cab, and the tweeter sounds pretty darned good on it. There's a lot about it to like, but the only SPL chart I ever saw for one revealed a midrange hole 12dB deep centered at 1.8kHz. You don't get that with mid drivers.
Quote: Originally Posted by rpsands Sorry, I was talking about the 3015, not the 3015LF. My personal cabinet is a fEarful using a 6nd410 crossed over around 700hz. The 6nd410 is padded about 3db, so it chills about 99db from 600 to 5khz (on-axis, 600-3khz off-axis). A bit different there, the 410HLF has the edge, 2 to 3dB across the board. Four of the Ampeg drivers do have more displacement than one 3015, so it's got a slight edge in...
Quote: Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice A bit different there, the 410HLF has the edge, 2 to 3dB across the board. Four of the Ampeg drivers do have more displacement than one 3015, so it's got a slight edge in both displacement and sensitivity. Your cab would have the edge in the upper mids. So the fEarful 15/6 is close but a bit quieter in output than a 410HLF, how do you think it would compare max volume wise with my 2x10"?
Quote: Originally Posted by OtterOnBass This is going to be tough since the manufacturers don't give any useful specs, just numbers without explanation of measurement. You could head over to the PA/FOH department. Many of the the pro brands there actually do publish meaningful measurements. The people who buy FOH systems demand it.
Quote: Originally Posted by aborgman I do like the idea of getting something through LDS because they're local, but how are their prices? Very reasonable. I got a 2 way 112 with an Eminence 3012Lf and a Selenium horn for around $410. Perfect rehearsal rig paired with my FI head. Grab and go perfection.
Quote: Originally Posted by aborgman So what is the loudest, punchiest cab with the smallest size and weight? For this equation I vote 4 ohm Schroeder 15+L: 400w; smooth; even, yet punchy; 30 lbs; about the size of a 1x12 cab.
That pretty much describes a Genz Benz NeoX212T. KO Quote: Originally Posted by rpsands If you're not doing dub, I'd consider a vertical 2x12 with 3012HOs and a horn @ 2khz. You should be able to keep the footprint quite narrow (20.5" x 13-14" deep x however tall ought to work well).
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