Thread: Livestock care is key in Issue 2 debate - Topix
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There is no such thing as a "factory farm." There are THOUSANDS of family farmers in Ohio alone. HSUS is pushing an ALL VEGAN DIET. Keep those whackos out of our Buckeye State! Vote YES on Issue 2. Also, if animals are not confined, they are subject to disease ... so they need antibiotics ... and they BITE each other ... many kill other animals. Is that humane...
I don't want activist or goverment running the show. Why doen't this board have anyone to answer to? I am a huge animal rights person and recue. No way do I want some board member in some goverment officials pocket running the show.
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This is a states rights issue, Too much federal inolvement in local practices already. Pass the issure and let Ohio take care of its own.
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That is why this board is being created if Issue 2 passes to look at these practices by professionals like the State vetrinarian and people who are educated in the industry. None of the practices that are currently in place disallow an animal to lay down or stretch their wings as HSUS would lead you to believe.Sows when pregnant are put in to gestation stalls ...
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I'm afraid Issue Two is nothing more than a scam to keep the Humane Society of the United States from really helping these animals. The changes made here will not go far enough, and I'd rather an animal rights organization handled this, they care more for the humane treatment of animals. Not being able to lay down or spread your wings is cruel. How many farms ...
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70% of the world's antibiotics are used on livestock production. Think about that. Agribusiness looks at production, not animal husbandry. The conditions that have been created, the conditions and models that Issue 2 supporters want to protect, make antibiotics necessary because the animals are PERPETUALLY sick! Would you make changes in your environment if it ...
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Jone wrote: There is no such thing as a "factory farm." There are THOUSANDS of family farmers in Ohio alone. HSUS is pushing an ALL VEGAN DIET. Keep those whackos out of our Buckeye State! Vote YES on Issue 2. Also, if animals are not confined, they are subject to disease ... so they need antibiotics ... and they BITE each other ... many kill other ...
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All this nonsense equals higher shelf prices at your local grocery stores. All meat that humans consume is slaughtered. If you eat meat this will affect your pockets, one way or the other. Leave things the way they are, Change is always BAD!
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Zach in Marysville wrote: 70% of the world's antibiotics are used on livestock production. Think about that. Agribusiness looks at production, not animal husbandry. The conditions that have been created, the conditions and models that Issue 2 supporters want to protect, make antibiotics necessary because the animals are PERPETUALLY sick! Would you make changes in ...
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Talking about animal welfare is a good idea. Changing the constitution of the State of Ohio is NOT A GOOD IDEA. I'm not so sure about the HSUS (although I also don't thin they believe everything the Farm Bureau will tell you they do), but at least they would give us something with substance to vote on. The Farm Bureau has only given us a chance to vote on a ...
Mary wrote: <quoted text> The references on the need for B12 are from the Centers for Disease Control, and they specifficallly relate that one cannot obtain B12 from a pure vegetarian diet. You are right that our diets also lack calcium, fruits and vegetables. We are also deficient in Vitamin D and sometimes other nutrients as well. A balanced diet is key, and cannot be obtained with a pure vegetarian diet ( Again according to...
Judged: 1 1 mvp72 wrote: Mary- "To those who have opposed the issue, let me invite you to learn more about livestock care so you may work with us to assure appropriate care of livestock in Ohio." Where can I take you up on this invitation? FB wasn't interested in working with HSUS so I wonder who they are willing to work with to ensure animal welfare. Yes I know there is going to be someone on the board from a humane...
DrC Ohio wrote: <quoted text> MOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEE! Before you go-this amendment can hurt small farmers and my choice to buy from them. How? B/c this board will set standards, and there is a good chance these standards will favor CAFOs, thus put the "little guys" out of business. Here is a thought-why don't we have stickers we put on the meat that lets consumers know where it came from and how many animals...
mvp72 wrote: Mary, I think most Americans are lacking in calcium whether they are vegetarian or not. Our population is lacking a lot more than animal protein and calcium, they are in fact lacking vegetables and a lot of other healthy foods-we just have to look at the obesity problem in our children and adults. Whether your are vegetarian or not, they key is to have a balanced diet and I can tell you I have seen healthy and unhealthy examples...
Judged: 1 1 1 sarah wrote: Dr.C: Stop using the fake "11.3 million" figure when you speak of Humane Society supporters. Their dues-paying membership is 420,000. Their magazine's print run is 420,000. Both FACTS are on their IRS 990s, page 62 at hsus.org . They may have a million current donors if you include those who give less than $25. The ASPCA has more members. Best Friends does as well. The more people Pacelle can...
Judged: 1 1 1 DrC Ohio wrote: <quoted text> Moo-moo, for the majority of people who will not know to read that-only what is on the ballot-it is deceiving. It's only deceiving when people like you add their lies to it.
DrC Ohio wrote: <quoted text> I was answering your post where you said Democrats worked to defeat issue 2-I proved you wrong. In fact on many county dem lit issue 2 was not there. "Just here" should "Just leave." you should just blow....... me. I like to get people to let their real selves show.. thank you very much for showing everyone your real character as a dummycrat.
Judged: 1 1 1 madcoman wrote: <quoted text> 2 Ag, I was on a diffrent forum trying to explain to Alt the arrogance of his ways, and that not all farmers support Issue 2, but it's fairly usesless. Him and AmyOH both have nightmares at night about HSUS. I'm also convinced that they were both attacked violently by a farm animal when they were younger, causing them lifelong issues. Madcoman, thanks for the laugh - I needed...
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