I tested every light bare and with umbrella (43" wescott double fold shoot through). The umbrella consistently ate a stop and a third of light (1.3), so I'm not going to list it.
Actual f-stop numbers for each light -
580EX - f20
The first light I tested so I didn't know what to expect.
580EXII - f20
Suprised me this was the same as the 580. The only thing was the 580EXII was...



