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Thread: Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien bees vs 580EX vs others

Started 2 months, 1 week ago by JohnBiggs
Ok. After reading much hate for the little hotshoe flashes I decided I needed to know what the truth is... at least the truth as far as I'm concerned. So I pulled out all the different lights I own and tried them all in a similar configuration. The equipment tested - Canon 580EX Canon 580EXII Lumipro LP120 Alienbees AB400 Alienbees AB800 Homedepot 250watt shop light. Here was ...
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JohnBiggs replied 2 months, 1 week ago
I tested every light bare and with umbrella (43" wescott double fold shoot through). The umbrella consistently ate a stop and a third of light (1.3), so I'm not going to list it. Actual f-stop numbers for each light - 580EX - f20 The first light I tested so I didn't know what to expect. 580EXII - f20 Suprised me this was the same as the 580. The only thing was the 580EXII was...

cmason replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Thanks for that and really interesting. I would have assumed that the ABs would be significantly more powerful than the 580s. would love to see a 430 in the mix.

ziggy53 replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Doh, I just reread John's setup and he set up the 580 flashes at 28mm zoom. Never mind the diatribe I previously posted, 'cause John covered it. Good job John and greatly appreciated.

JohnBiggs replied 2 months, 1 week ago
I wanted to add that my rather boring sample shots are completely unedited raw conversion using lightroom (no presets). However I did a whitebalance adjustment on the two shots from the HD250. Hope you understand.

rwells replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Thanks John for taking the time and effort to test this. It gives me a ballpark WS figure for the 580EX(xx) compared to my White Lightnings.

Tim Kamppinen replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Thanks, very interesting. I'm wondering how you decided on 28mm. Does this give roughly the same angle of light as the 7" reflector on the alienbees?

Art Scott replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Hopefully this will dispel at least some of the mis-information about those "TADPOLE" hotshoe strobes not having any power....when in fact they have as much power as some actual studio strobes and are much more controllable with the cameras on board computers..... MANY THANX TO JOHN FOR THE TIME AND WORK PUT INTO THIS COMPARATIVE TEST

MakeMeShutter replied 2 months, 1 week ago
What an eye opener, I never would have guessed. Great work. Thanks for sharing your results.

JohnBiggs replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Tim Kamppinen Thanks, very interesting. I'm wondering how you decided on 28mm. Does this give roughly the same angle of light as the 7" reflector on the alienbees? Tim, It was fairly arbitrary. It is the default 'zoom' on the Lumipro, and I had to pick something. I'm going to look into the angle vs...

Tim Kamppinen replied 2 months, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnBiggs Tim, It was fairly arbitrary. It is the default 'zoom' on the Lumipro, and I had to pick something. I'm going to look into the angle vs the angle from the 7". Thanks, John Cool. The zoom setting really varies the output on hotshoe flashes. I'm willing to bet the 580's would be ...

 

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JohnBiggs
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-11-19 17:01:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by pathfinder One thing I learned is that the LumiPro 120 does not pack the punch that the 580, 580 IIS do.. That tells me the LumiPro 120 is less powerful than a Vivitar 285 HV as well, as my 285HVs seem as powerful as my 580s easily. it's tough to really tell if two lights are equal by remembering situations where the lights have been used. Swap both on the same light stand, set the zooms the Same and expose...
cmason
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-29 09:24:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnBiggs Ohh how the numbers have been spinning around. I have just realized that you would need 64 home depot 250watt lights to match the light level of just the lumipro. I'm not sure you would want that much heat or to burn 16000watts. That would make one hell of a ringlight
Tim Kamppinen
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-29 15:35:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnBiggs Ohh how hard it can be to find an outlet in the front of a church. Or what if the couple wants to step outside as well. Speedlights are just so much easier. Sure you can buy the heavy battery for the Alienbees but then you have added expense (Another $299) added weight (19lbs), slower recycling and you have to turn off the modelling lamps. After that if all you are doing is powering AB400's then what...
ziggy53
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-27 07:19:00)
Doh, I just reread John's setup and he set up the 580 flashes at 28mm zoom. Never mind the diatribe I previously posted, 'cause John covered it. Good job John and greatly appreciated.
rwells
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-27 16:33:00)
Thanks John for taking the time and effort to test this. It gives me a ballpark WS figure for the 580EX(xx) compared to my White Lightnings.
Art Scott
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-27 19:18:00)
Hopefully this will dispel at least some of the mis-information about those "TADPOLE" hotshoe strobes not having any power....when in fact they have as much power as some actual studio strobes and are much more controllable with the cameras on board computers..... MANY THANX TO JOHN FOR THE TIME AND WORK PUT INTO THIS COMPARATIVE TEST
lfortier
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-29 03:54:00)
Thanks for all the comparative work you did. You just saved me a ton of money. I use speedlights and have been getting good results but kept wondering if I could do better with "big" lights. Thanks again.
MakeMeShutter
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-28 05:52:00)
What an eye opener, I never would have guessed. Great work. Thanks for sharing your results.
angevin1
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-10-29 09:47:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by kdog Great stuff, John! Really good information to know. Has to be my Thread of the year pick, category: interesting! !!!
Gringriff
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Lighting Test Shoplight vs alien...
Published (2009-11-13 21:10:00)
Thanks so much for this thread and the postings so far. I am about to setup a "studio" in my basement and trying to contain costs. I have been looking hard at the Alien Bees and trying to decide how to go. I will be taking family shots (4 and 5 people at once) plus individuals and couples with various backdrops (yet to be designed). I have a Canon 50D and a speedlite 430 EX II. Could I use both an AB800 or 800/400 combo and the 430...

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