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Thread: Lathe Adjustment

Started 4 months, 1 week ago by wnroscoe
With all the talk about indicating, pre-drilling taper boring and such I thought I'd share another topic with the masses, Spindle Bearing end play. Periodically I check for taper in my cuts and tail stock alignment and adjust accordingly. I thought it was time to check end play in my spindle bearings so I read up on adjustment. After running the lathe for 20 minutes I adjusting the ...
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M.D.Spencer replied 4 months, 1 week ago
of your machine. A sort of show and tell!! How old is this machine? Are you using the right type of oil for the spindle? Their are some who dump any old oil in their. I love South Bends. I have a 1964 16" toolroom. Took a shim out about a month ago. Those Bronze bearing are expensive. Almost $400 for the front and $385.00 for the back or small bearing

wnroscoe replied 4 months ago
It's a G4003G Grizzly with Timken Thrust Bearings. Machine is about 1.5 to 2 years old. I looked in the manual and crossed the oil over to what I could find here locally. I wouldn’t dump just any oil in headstock or carriage. It's been a good machine with zero problems and the rifles that’s been built on it hammer.

jackie schmidt replied 4 months ago
Is the South Bend you are referring to one of the older mdels with a non-roller bearing spindle? If so, those have to have some clearence for lubrication. Roller Bearing spindles work on a different principle. 60-70 pounds is a lot of upward force. That is not a real heavy spidle. You might be just flexing the pieces. The proper way to check end play is back and forth. Place the ...

wnroscoe replied 4 months ago
I did push the spindle back and forth after 20 minutes of running. With the stylus of the indicator as you describe seems like it was .0002" to .0003" or so of actual end play back and forth. I really cant remember the number as I type. After running another 20 minutes, the dust cover around the bearings and spindle was warmer than it was before so I was reluctant to go any tighter. I didnt want ...

jackie schmidt replied 4 months ago
On any of our high speed engine lathes, such as our 18 inch Mazaks, after a Machinist runs parts for any length of time at all, the head bearing area is uncomfortable to the touch. Of course, under load, any headstck assy will build heat, simply from the friction of the internal gears. A number of years ago, we had to have the head bearing replaced in that big 52 inch NR LeBlond lathe we ...

Dennis Sorensen replied 4 months ago
My 1971 11inch Rockwell has a large tapered Timken bearing... and a grease nipple under the top cover. After greasing it and running for a while and it heats up, excess grease is forced out the front, between the headstock and the chuck and makes a mess for a while... it does not seem to matter if it is cold or hot I don't seem to get any movement I can measure. It gets quite warm after an hour ...

Alan Warner replied 4 months ago
Gents: Measurable and allowable spindle indication for both end thrust and axial play depend greatly on the number of, and ABEC spec of the bearings used. A spindle with three bearing assembly ( tapered roller at each end and straight roller in the middle) of at least ABEC7 will run less than .00015 in both directions and be very free running. A two bearing assembly ( tapered...

wnroscoe replied 4 months ago
After 20 minutes, the heat from my bearings is comfortable to the touch, not too much. Maybe I'll tighten them up a bit and run it. Thanks Dennis & Jackie for the information, as always, it's appreciated.

jackie schmidt replied 4 months ago
What is so important about having that small amount of thrust in the lead screw.........jackie

Alan Warner replied 4 months ago
Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train.

 

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jackie schmidt
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-26 10:17:00)
Iteach my men to that, but for another reason. We cut a lot of large diameter, course pitch threads. A lot of 4 tpi, and occasionally a 2 tpi. One of the problems with cutting large threads, (especially in the low carbon steels we use), is the shavings tend to meet in the middle, clog, and weld to the insert, causing the thread to get real ugly, not to mentioned breaking the inserts. The way I teach the men to cut threads is rough out about...
wnroscoe
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-24 14:55:00)
After 20 minutes, the heat from my bearings is comfortable to the touch, not too much. Maybe I'll tighten them up a bit and run it. Thanks Dennis & Jackie for the information, as always, it's appreciated.
Alan Warner
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-25 00:21:00)
Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train.
JerrySharrett
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-26 04:09:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Warner Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train. Alan, for lathes which do not have lead...
Zebra13
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Jerry
Published (2009-08-26 10:59:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by jackie schmidt Iteach my men to that, but for another reason. We cut a lot of large diameter, course pitch threads. A lot of 4 tpi, and occasionally a 2 tpi. One of the problems with cutting large threads, (especially in the low carbon steels we use), is the shavings tend to meet in the middle, clog, and weld to the insert, causing the thread to get real ugly, not to mentioned breaking the inserts. The way I teach...
Dennis Sorensen
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-24 14:42:00)
My 1971 11inch Rockwell has a large tapered Timken bearing... and a grease nipple under the top cover. After greasing it and running for a while and it heats up, excess grease is forced out the front, between the headstock and the chuck and makes a mess for a while... it does not seem to matter if it is cold or hot I don't seem to get any movement I can measure. It gets quite warm after an hour or so...
henrya
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-25 03:20:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Warner Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train. I never thought of this. I'm checking...
M.D.Spencer
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Lathe Adjustment
Published (2009-08-22 10:25:00)
of your machine. A sort of show and tell!! How old is this machine? Are you using the right type of oil for the spindle? Their are some who dump any old oil in their. I love South Bends. I have a 1964 16" toolroom. Took a shim out about a month ago. Those Bronze bearing are expensive. Almost $400 for the front and $385.00 for the back or small bearing

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