With all the talk about indicating, pre-drilling taper boring and such I thought I'd share another topic with the masses, Spindle Bearing end play. Periodically I check for taper in my cuts and tail stock alignment and adjust accordingly. I thought it was time to check end play in my spindle bearings so I read up on adjustment. After running the lathe for 20 minutes I adjusting the ...
of your machine. A sort of show and tell!! How old is this machine? Are you using the right type of oil for the spindle? Their are some who dump any old oil in their. I love South Bends. I have a 1964 16" toolroom. Took a shim out about a month ago. Those Bronze bearing are expensive. Almost $400 for the front and $385.00 for the back or small bearing
It's a G4003G Grizzly with Timken Thrust Bearings. Machine is about 1.5 to 2 years old. I looked in the manual and crossed the oil over to what I could find here locally. I wouldnt dump just any oil in headstock or carriage. It's been a good machine with zero problems and the rifles thats been built on it hammer.
Is the South Bend you are referring to one of the older mdels with a non-roller bearing spindle?
If so, those have to have some clearence for lubrication.
Roller Bearing spindles work on a different principle.
60-70 pounds is a lot of upward force. That is not a real heavy spidle. You might be just flexing the pieces.
The proper way to check end play is back and forth. Place the ...
I did push the spindle back and forth after 20 minutes of running. With the stylus of the indicator as you describe seems like it was .0002" to .0003" or so of actual end play back and forth. I really cant remember the number as I type. After running another 20 minutes, the dust cover around the bearings and spindle was warmer than it was before so I was reluctant to go any tighter. I didnt want ...
On any of our high speed engine lathes, such as our 18 inch Mazaks, after a Machinist runs parts for any length of time at all, the head bearing area is uncomfortable to the touch. Of course, under load, any headstck assy will build heat, simply from the friction of the internal gears.
A number of years ago, we had to have the head bearing replaced in that big 52 inch NR LeBlond lathe we ...
My 1971 11inch Rockwell has a large tapered Timken bearing... and a grease nipple under the top cover. After greasing it and running for a while and it heats up, excess grease is forced out the front, between the headstock and the chuck and makes a mess for a while... it does not seem to matter if it is cold or hot I don't seem to get any movement I can measure. It gets quite warm after an hour ...
Gents:
Measurable and allowable spindle indication for both end thrust and axial play
depend greatly on the number of, and ABEC spec of the bearings used.
A spindle with three bearing assembly ( tapered roller at each end and straight roller in the middle) of at least ABEC7 will run less than .00015 in both directions and be very free running.
A two bearing assembly ( tapered...
After 20 minutes, the heat from my bearings is comfortable to the touch, not too much. Maybe I'll tighten them up a bit and run it. Thanks Dennis & Jackie for the information, as always, it's appreciated.
Jackie:
It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train.
Iteach my men to that, but for another reason. We cut a lot of large diameter, course pitch threads. A lot of 4 tpi, and occasionally a 2 tpi. One of the problems with cutting large threads, (especially in the low carbon steels we use), is the shavings tend to meet in the middle, clog, and weld to the insert, causing the thread to get real ugly, not to mentioned breaking the inserts. The way I teach the men to cut threads is rough out about...
After 20 minutes, the heat from my bearings is comfortable to the touch, not too much. Maybe I'll tighten them up a bit and run it. Thanks Dennis & Jackie for the information, as always, it's appreciated.
Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train.
Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Warner Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train. Alan, for lathes which do not have lead...
Quote: Originally Posted by jackie schmidt Iteach my men to that, but for another reason. We cut a lot of large diameter, course pitch threads. A lot of 4 tpi, and occasionally a 2 tpi. One of the problems with cutting large threads, (especially in the low carbon steels we use), is the shavings tend to meet in the middle, clog, and weld to the insert, causing the thread to get real ugly, not to mentioned breaking the inserts. The way I teach...
My 1971 11inch Rockwell has a large tapered Timken bearing... and a grease nipple under the top cover. After greasing it and running for a while and it heats up, excess grease is forced out the front, between the headstock and the chuck and makes a mess for a while... it does not seem to matter if it is cold or hot I don't seem to get any movement I can measure. It gets quite warm after an hour or so...
Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Warner Jackie: It helps to diminish lead error at the start of a thread when the load is developing. The gear train is loaded with the weight of the mass but the tool has yet to add its' own, additional resistance. Usual result is a bit of drunken thread at the start. It is more apparent on lighter machines with smaller amount of mass in the carraige/drive train. I never thought of this. I'm checking...
of your machine. A sort of show and tell!! How old is this machine? Are you using the right type of oil for the spindle? Their are some who dump any old oil in their. I love South Bends. I have a 1964 16" toolroom. Took a shim out about a month ago. Those Bronze bearing are expensive. Almost $400 for the front and $385.00 for the back or small bearing
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