Thread: Kimura as dangerous as the heelhook! - Page 6 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums

Quote: Originally Posted by megatonjits if you think kimura's are bad check out this reverse kimura that nearly tore my shoulder off at 2:35. I didn't realize how bad it was tell my last match. YouTube - Oregon Open 2009 - Blue Belt from ImpactJJ - Rodney Buswell That was an Americana/Keylock/Paintbrush/Udegarami, but if you want to call it a reverse Kimura that's fine. And that was very wicked. You get hurt? __________________...

Quote: Originally Posted by Drew Foster Mikey, since you said I put words in dave's mouth: "Competition is a different story. You should have a separate competition class in which you can introduce the submission." okay, so then he does allow it I guess. Really it's not that big a deal either way. I was just trying to offer my opinion on the subject.

Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Legs What the hell are you talking about? There aren't any credible statistics posted in this thread. Rener didn't say more dangerous, he said more injuries occur as a result of toe holds (which we can only assume is at his academy). There is a difference. Risk refers to probability of something bad happening NOT the number of instances or severity of damage. An RNC can end your life so by your hand...

Quote: Originally Posted by Drew Foster WHY DON'T YOU GUYS TELL THIS POOR FELLA THAT HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO TAP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMonVbdYxw That was pretty nasty and that happens. Guy on top just went batshit insane with how fast he cranked it. He had the triangle the guy wasn't going anywhere he didn't have to apply it that fast. I use that combo a lot and everytime I land it there is no reason at all to crank...

Quote: Originally Posted by Drew Foster Mikey, you're creating a topic within a topic. Stick to the issue. This isn't about Dave Camarillo. It's about the danger of a Kimura vs. a Heelhook. I thought this thread was still about Ken Shamrock? __________________ "I'm mainly a student of Krav Maga, mixed with a little bit of Systema and Combat Tai Chi... the 3 of those arts combined, I for the most part have a ton of...

if there ever was a heel hook equivalent arm submission, i would have to say the real 'silent killer' is the wrist lock. it's such a delicate joint and so easy to crank on it, with a short threshold from nothing to excruciating pain... plus it puts your wrist out of comission for a few weeks to a month, or it can make it never quite 100 percent again.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim Ager Kimuras and heelhooks are only dangerous to those who don't know how to tap or are allowed to roll from day 1. Every white belt should be taught submissions and when they know what the submission feels like then they should be fine. Some people just refuse to tap for whatever reason. There's two sides to this coin. Newbs who slap and crank a heel hook will cause damage before their opponents have...

Quote: Originally Posted by Drew Foster Jinxes/Superstition is all bullshit. Don't believe the hype. Sorry if you are injured though. Yah they are lol. Fortunately I'm have those weird Gumby shoulders, so Kimura's REALLY got to be yanked on me to feel anything. There's only one angle where I feel it right away, and that's if someone has it on me where they are over my head in a side-back mount sort of position....

Quote: Originally Posted by Drew Foster WHY DON'T YOU GUYS TELL THIS POOR FELLA THAT HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO TAP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMonVbdYxw Terrible video. I always been a lot more careful with EVERY submission, performed by me or on me, after I saw that one. Plus, the guy slapping it is a black belt vs a beginner, right?

Quote: Originally Posted by DarceBrabo ^^^^^ Another case of someone arguing their opinion vs. statistics. All of the things that you just regurgitated from Rener's mouth has nothing to do with this topic as far as Danger is concerned, but i'll indulge you by saying your totally off with your assessment. Not to mention the fact that Heel Hooks are actually more dangerous than Toe Holds (in spite of what Rener Gracie says). Im...