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Thread: Is it possible to fly a Learjet on a PPL?

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by rich_g85
Is it possible to fly a Learjet on a PPL? Hi all, Was discussing my flying training with my (non aviation-minded) colleague at work earlier, and he asked me a question which I was unable to confidently answer. What he asked effectively, was 'is it possible to fly something like a Learjet on a PPL and how much would it cost to rent one ...
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BackPacker replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
You can fly *anything* on a PPL, provided that you have the appropriate type rating. And stay within the limits of your license, so you cannot get paid for the flight and have to pay at least an equal share of the direct costs of the flight. However, the type rating exam for those kinds of aircraft are typically to ATPL standards. Which are kind of hard to achieve if you're just a ...

dublinpilot replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Yes, but you'll need need a type rating (Possibly Multi Cockpit Crew course). To make any practical use, you'd also need an IR. As for the rental rate, you can get it on a great new finance scheme. You just have to pay a small deposit of 100%, and then you've no payments to make each month. Seriously....good luck finding anyone to rent it to you

bose-x replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
You will also need a HPA endorsement which is either achieved through the ATPL exams, holding an ICAO ATP exam pass or sitting the HPA exams.

rich_g85 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Thanks - it was only a hypothetical question posed by a 'non-aviation' person. I'm not considering doing this!

mad_jock replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Doesn't the Duke of Westminster fly his around on a PPL?

englishal replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
What is an HPA Endorsement?

julian_storey replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: What is an HPA Endorsement? 'High Performance Aircraft'. An FAA requirement to fly any aircraft with MORE than 200bhp. You can do it with an FAA instructor in ANYTHING with more than 200bhp. Getting a Lear Jet type rating should cover that

rich_g85 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
HPA = High Performance Aircraft?

IO540 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I don't think any of the jet Type Rating training outfits will take on somebody who doesn't already have an IR - as a crude but probably appropriate measure to filter out those without an adequate understanding of the aircraft systems.

julian_storey replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
And even if they did, a Lear Jet low level (outside of controlled airspace) would burn a horrifying amount of fuel and below 10,000ft would be restricted to 250kts. John Travolta has Lear Jet, HS125 and Boeing 707 types (amongst others) on HIS PPL. He does have an instrument rating though

 

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bose-x
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Published (2009-11-10 10:15:00)
The DC3 is a type rating. The HPA is meant to cover a class not a type....... But then you knew that anyway and just wanted to tell us you had a DC3 rating....
englishal
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Is it possible to fly a Learjet...
Published (2009-11-09 21:15:00)
My mate flew David Cameron to Prague for the day in a King Air and it cost £10,000....
mad_jock
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Published (2009-11-12 13:17:00)
The only reason why I could see you would want to do it is if you couldn't hold a class 1. I suspect there are a few owner drivers out there but they will all be old CAA licenses. As has been said these days under the JAR regs there is no point at all not bothering with a CPL.
julian_storey
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Published (2009-11-09 18:12:00)
Quote: Ex-military jets are flown on a permit to fly and have an individual training course approved by type that each candidate undergoes. This then results in a type rating. The content of each course is judged on the operation complexity of the type. The JP as an example is a very simple VFR only permit aircraft. Not sure that there's a JP type rating. They are usually operated under an exemption granted by the CAA following an...
rich_g85
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Published (2009-11-09 15:32:00)
HPA = High Performance Aircraft?
IO540
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Published (2009-11-12 15:09:00)
XXPLOD - it's different in the FAA / USA system. Here, you do 14 exams for a CPL/IR. And that's after the 7 doing the PPL. In the USA, you do 1 for the PPL, 1 for the CPL, 1 for the IR and 1 for the ATPL. Here, you are given an ATPL after clocking up the hours. There, the ATPL is extra work as I mention (though you still need the 1500hrs in both cases). Also, the USA has no Class A below 18000ft, which means quite a lot of heavy iron...
liam548
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Published (2009-11-09 17:36:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by mad_jock Doesn't the Duke of Westminster fly his around on a PPL? cant find any info on this on google
tarnish26
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Is it possible to fly a Learjet...
Published (2009-11-09 19:51:00)
Well it is the "Times" after all
Sam Rutherford
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Is it possible to fly a Learjet...
Published (2009-11-11 15:58:00)
big perhaps, but not too heavy, and not to far forward or aft!
Tom_p
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Published (2009-11-09 16:28:00)
Aircraft Grouping lease a Cessna 500 Citation for a mere £550 per hour wet. It even has a toilet apparently, I dunno how the hell they manged to fit one in.

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