Thread: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

Quote: Originally Posted by Arion45 You and I differ on what we consider threats to this country but i am obligated to pay for it if I agree or not. Is this liberty? I’m amused by this, Arion45. Do I understand from this that you consider yourself an expert on security matters ? Yes or no ? If ‘no’ .. then … could it be that your money finds its way to those who ARE more expert than you ? And could it therefore be that if you and...

Quote: Originally Posted by RET423 No, I support citizens demanding that their government provide a defense sufficient to deal with all enemies foreign and domestic. I also support requiring the citizens to pay for that defense. It is not "coercive", the duly elected Congress & the duly elected President set tax law. We The People choose every one of them so We The People are to blame if those Representatives suck....

Quote: Originally Posted by Arion45 What you are describing is not liberty. It is tyranny and slavery. The government takes my income by threat of gun and prison. (this is the very definition of coercion) If I object to the wars this country conducts I can not withhold my income and give it someone who will provide a defense that better fits my views. YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT! So am I, it is not tyranny or coercion if we FREELY CHOOSE OUR...

Liberty has always been won with bloodshed.

Quote: Originally Posted by markstob ret thats nonsense. liberty does not have to involved bloodshed. Bulls---. It takes bloodshed to get it, and in the long term, it takes bloodshed to keep it. Quote: Originally Posted by Blackwell Liberty without bloodshed = rolling over and letting the enemy walk right in. Quote: Originally Posted by Susanna Liberty has always been won with bloodshed.

I simply do not have time right now to respond, i will post my responses later. However i did see something on the news today about Iran threatening to recant the Non Proliferation Treaty if we push the Nuclear issue. If that is the case then we need to act, however if they respond to the talks tommorow and provide unfettered access to their facilities that will be a step in the right direction. Only time will tell. Susanna, I am not the...

Liberty without bloodshed = rolling over and letting the enemy walk right in.

Oh and here is another link you also will not go and look at...here is a map of th range of Iran's missiles.... MAP – The range of Iran’s missiles-Aljazeera Snow Report Blog

Yeah, there's no credible evidence of nuclear weapons. Just recent test launches. Enrichment sites. Threats to those who want to stop them. All the pieces are there, and he's trying to put them together. He's even offered to buy enriched uranium, he wants it so bad.

ret thats nonsense. liberty does not have to involved bloodshed.