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Thread: Importance of destroying enemy camp

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Carpathian Wolf
I was discussing with snipa the battle of varna where a coalition of european forces fought and were defeated by a larger Ottoman Turkish force. Within the battle the Romanian cavalry ended up after fighting and routing Sipahi and Arab cavalry breaking into the Ottoman Turkish camp, taking everything of value after fighting and leaving the battle field. snipa said that destroying the enemy camp ...
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TheUnknownEntity replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Didn't the Franks at the battle of Tours send a party to the enemy camp to rob it of it's values and plunder, and that was actually quite important in the victory if I remember correctly.

motiv-8 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by TheUnknownEntity Didn't the Franks at the battle of Tours send a party to the enemy camp to rob it of it's values and plunder, and that was actually quite important in the victory if I remember correctly. No, by the time the Franks made the decision to assault the Arabs' camp, they had ...

Romano-Dacis replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf I was discussing with snipa the battle of varna where a coalition of european forces fought and defeated a much larger Ottoman Turkish force. Within the battle the Romanian cavalry ended up after fighting and routing Sipahi and Arab cavalry breaking into the Ottoman Turkish camp, taking ...

Carpathian Wolf replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Yea at the battle of Varna the battle was still going on. The Romanian cavalry did it while both forces were still on the field facing one another.

TheUnknownEntity replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by motiv-8 No, by the time the Franks made the decision to assault the Arabs' camp, they had already deserted it with as much things as they could effectively carry. Ah, thanks for correcting me, must've been a crappy documentary I watched that mentioned it. (when the hell did I start ...

Carpathian Wolf replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by TheUnknownEntity Ah, thanks for correcting me, must've been a crappy documentary I watched that mentioned it. (when the hell did I start believing random documentaries anyway?) Probably when the History channel stopped being about history and more about truckers in Canada and 300-esque ...

motiv-8 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf Probably when the History channel stopped being about history and more about truckers in Canada and 300-esque style themed documentaries on battles. Why God why! Agreed... I remember when I was a kid there was actually some value in watching History.

TheUnknownEntity replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf Probably when the History channel stopped being about history and more about truckers in Canada and 300-esque style themed documentaries on battles. Why God why! Quote: Originally Posted by motiv-8 Agreed...

Timoleon of Korinthos replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf I was discussing with snipa the battle of varna where a coalition of european forces fought and defeated a much larger Ottoman Turkish force. Within the battle the Romanian cavalry ended up after fighting and routing Sipahi and Arab cavalry breaking into the Ottoman Turkish camp, taking ...

Carpathian Wolf replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: First of all, didn't the Turks win in the battle of Varna? oops that's what I meant. My mistake. Quote: It occurs to me that you are trying to justify the ill discipline of the Romanian cavalry in this case. The problem with looting the enemey camp during battle is that it is equivelant with some units being...

 

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Carpathian Wolf
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Published (2009-11-15 13:33:00)
The lie is where you obviously tried to neglect the fact that the Wallachian cavalry was 20 times the size of the other two "Hungarian companies" you mentioned. "Wallachians were only 1 company, there were 3 total!" Or else why would you make such a big huff about me saying the Romanians destroyed the Ottoman cavalry on the flank? And no I didn't say the Wallachian cavalry held the flank AFTER they...
snipa
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Published (2009-11-16 07:57:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf The lie is where you obviously tried to neglect the fact that the Wallachian cavalry was 20 times the size of the other two "Hungarian companies" you mentioned. "Wallachians were only 1 company, there were 3 total!" Or else why would you make such a big huff about me saying the Romanians destroyed the Ottoman cavalry on the flank? And no I didn't say the...
Romano-Dacis
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Published (2009-11-12 12:25:00)
snipa, there is one thing you are overlooking: Hungary supported both dynasties (Dane ş ti and Dracule ş ti) in their struggle for the Wallachian throne. It's a long story but on top of supporting both dynasties, the Hungarians also annexed several territories given by Sigismund to Wallachia. Furthermore, the peace treaties concluded with the Ottomans by Hungary did not take into consideration the desires of Wallachia or...
TheUnknownEntity
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Importance of destroying enemy camp
Published (2009-11-09 16:35:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf Probably when the History channel stopped being about history and more about truckers in Canada and 300-esque style themed documentaries on battles. Why God why! Quote: Originally Posted by motiv-8 Agreed... I remember when I was a kid there was actually some value in watching History. Agreed, did you guys ever watch that Lost Evidence ww2 documentary series? Utter bullocks making war out to be...
Timoleon of Korinthos
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Published (2009-11-10 18:40:00)
Quote: "Now, if the enemy camp followers/garrison of the defeat and abandon camp before the winning army reaches it, it means they will have been forced to leave hastily and carry only a fraction of their money and provisions." No it doesn't. Where does it state this rule? It's simple logic, my friend. Let's take things from the beginning. According to the historians the Ottoman army numbered between...
hellheaven1987
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Importance of destroying enemy camp
Published (2009-11-10 00:30:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by motiv-8 No, by the time the Franks made the decision to assault the Arabs' camp, they had already deserted it with as much things as they could effectively carry. The most important and influential event in the battle of Tours was the death of the Arab commander. No, the records suggest there were considerable fight during the storming; Muslims were not deserted or left, but too few number to hold the camp due...
motiv-8
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Importance of destroying enemy camp
Published (2009-11-09 16:30:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf Probably when the History channel stopped being about history and more about truckers in Canada and 300-esque style themed documentaries on battles. Why God why! Agreed... I remember when I was a kid there was actually some value in watching History.
diegis
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Published (2009-11-11 03:42:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Timoleon of Korinthos Nice spin of subject here. The Arab and the Sipahis were routed, their commander Karaca Bay was killed, they were chased for 5-6 kilometers. Then , the Romanians proceeded to raid Murad's camp, whereas the Hungarians turned back. Routed, 5-6km away from the field and without a commander to reorganise them and raise their morale, it would have been extremely difficult for the Ottoman right...
RollingWave
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Importance of destroying enemy camp
Published (2009-11-10 03:03:00)
In the Chinese wars against the Stepp people. it was basically all about search and destroy of the other sides' camp anyway, the trick is of course, that both parties' camp were moving.... so it was a lot like the carrier battles such as the battle of midway. where the camps are the carriers, and they launch cavalries that are like the aircrafts. obviously the cavalries fought each other too, but their primary objective was to find...
Antonis the Athonite
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Importance of destroying enemy camp
Published (2009-11-09 23:47:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf Probably when the History channel stopped being about history and more about truckers in Canada and 300-esque style themed documentaries on battles. Why God why! I feel your pain You forgot, they're showing UFO's now too...

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