Your home is dark, it's late and you hear someone inside your home. DO you try to ID the individual or do you use deadly force without issuing any commands or effort to ID?
Is this a serious question? Because, frankly, even the most neophyte gun owner must know that identifying your target--at the very least to the extent that you are certain the target is a threat and not, say, your spouse or child, or favorite in-law whose car just broke down a block away--is one of the most basic rules of responsible gun ownership/use.
Not to mention that use of deadly force...
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Originally Posted by XD-Fender Is this a serious question? Because, frankly, even the most neophyte gun owner must know that identifying your target--at the very least to the extent that you are certain the target is a threat and not, say, your spouse or child, or favorite in-law whose car just broke down a block away--is one of the most basic rules of ...
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Originally Posted by Comp_sH00tEr24 Ahhhh....get a damn flashlight and make sure of what youre shooting at. Agreed. It was argued that, If you say anything or use a flash light you'll give your position away and would be shot. I could see their point, but for me, It's a risk I would have to take.
With just me and the wife at home.. Alarm set.. and the bedroom door locked.. I'm calling 911 1st.. if they try to attempt to get through the bedroom door.. that is their bad decision.
2:31am call came into 911 center
2:34am intruder shot
2:38am Police arrive..
I think it is open and shut case.
If the person leaves prior to the police showing up.. So be it.. it will be the ...
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Originally Posted by GottaBeAh.40
... its dark, you hear someone inside your home, do you use deadly force without issuing any commands or effort to ID? Quote:
Originally Posted by XD-Fender
... use of deadly force requires at least some reasonable fear of death or bodily harm. Blasting away at an unknown target "without...
Hmmm... I can totally see both sides of the story. I'm an advocate of PID (positive identification). However, in a castle doctrine state (like SC), if I hear a bump in the night, I feel the wife beside me, grab the XD, peek in on my daughter, I can shoot whatever is moving because it is in my castle illegally. While that's not ethically correct, I'm protected by law.
Having said that, ...
Hey HootmonSccy: You are my kind of guy. Right now it is just my wife and myself (we are retired). I lock my bedroom door, I have a cell phone in the bedroom, I have a 38 behind my bed and a 12g in a closet about 2 sec from my bed, and I have a bright LED flashlight. If someone is rummaging around in the house, I will call the police first and wait. Anything in my house that is worth anything is...
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Originally Posted by XD-Fender Is this a serious question? Because, frankly, even the most neophyte gun owner must know that identifying your target--at the very least to the extent that you are certain the target is a threat and not, say, your spouse or child, or favorite in-law whose car just broke down a block away--is one of the most basic rules of ...
I'm all for identifying your target and, if possible, what’s behind it. Even at home there is a difference in identifying your target and yell/screaming/ect. Also, you don't always have to make visual contact to identify a threat. If you wake to a bump in the night, know the only other person that should be in the house is in the room with you, announce, rack a shotgun, and the BG still attempts...
Hey JJFlash: Your thoughts about the scum are obviously what all of us think--if he can come into your home and steal your stuff get away it bothers the heck out of you. Shooting him thru a closed door or in the back will take some good explaining on your part, depending on your state of residence, so as much as we all want to we have to be careful that what we wish for comes true.
Quote: Guess it depends on the individual circumstances then. The maint. man comes in to change the filters every few months. Since I work nights I'm usually asleep during the day when he comes. If I simply shot at a silhouette of a short fat mexican coming down the hall way then I'd have to change my own filters! Of course it depends on the individual circumstances. I'm the maintenance man at my place. Quote: Plus, my son has...
Quote: Originally Posted by tcox4freedom I have been the victim to several burglaries (3 while at home) and two home invasions. (ALL years ago!) Damn, where do you live, Afghanistan!
Quote: Originally Posted by TnRebel Good mind set Gun, but for one correction , there is no such thing as an ex-Marine , only Former Marines . Semper-Fi brother You are both wrong. There are Marines on duty and Marines off duty. We are just off duty Marines. I've been off duty since 1988. Master Gunnery Sergeant of Marines
Quote: Originally Posted by kelcarry Hey JJFlash: Your thoughts about the scum are obviously what all of us think--if he can come into your home and steal your stuff get away it bothers the heck out of you. Shooting him thru a closed door or in the back will take some good explaining on your part, depending on your state of residence, so as much as we all want to we have to be careful that what we wish for comes true. I still haven't...
Quote: Originally Posted by Comp_sH00tEr24 alright since this came up and I already said to use a flashlight and ID the noise before shooting, heres my question...What do you guys think of the whole giving up your position argument with a flashlight? If you have a very bright LED light (which I do) which is pretty much blinding (and it is) would it be a good idea to get the light directly in the BG's face, disorientate him, and if needed...
Quote: Originally Posted by nogods Two people break down your door, enter your house brandishing weapons, and yell "police! get on the ground!" Do you believe them? Good point. I wouldn't, just because I know me, and I don't believe anything at first. On the reverse side of that, how many LEO's have been shot doing that to someone unsuspecting?
Quote: Originally Posted by GunShizzel I'd rather let some idjit get away with the plasma (if he can carry the dang thing with my dog nipping at him) I'd shoot the bastard that tries to kill my dog. I value my dog over my car.
JJFlash, you are correct, situations like that have happened far too many times! I am not so quick to excuse the father in that instance. I will bet a dollar to a donut that he did not have his finger indexed. We preach this, and preach this constantly. You must have your finger indexed in order to avert the "startle" reflex, and the "sympathetic" reflex. The startle reflex is the natural response of the...
Quote: Originally Posted by Huklberyhound This is a big issue where we are right now. We have had massive amounts of break ins at mid day even. We the only warning the BG gets here is a boom boom boom and severe burning in his center mass. We have many very elderly folks that live around us and my wife and I both feel that it is our obligation to keep the trash from getting into their houses and doing them harm. They will not leave this house...
Find the target. Paint the target. Aim. Shoot. Confirm.... Find the target. Paint the target. Aim. Shoot. Confirm. Review. Next action. Seems some people don't even know there are targets around. 2:59 PM Dec 4th, 2008 from Twittelator
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