I am looking into feeding a different dog food. I currently use high performance Eagle pack. It is 30% protein, 15% fat(iforget). Has a lot of good stuff flax seed, omega 3 and 6 chondrotin and glucosemen. I feed it year round. Dogs do well, stools tight and limited. Coats good. Etc. It is $42 for 40 pound bag. Diamond has an extreme athlete formula which has alot of the same stuff but is 32% ...
That is a good question and I used to be concerned about really high protein levels. There are studies around that indicate that the quality of protein is the critical factor and not the level. There are a few foods that are are 40% and higher but the sources of protein are top grade animal proteins and not grain-based proteins. If my dog would eat kibble I would use them and not worry. Orijen ...
That Diamond formula has no corn or wheat or corn gluten so it appears the high protein is from chicken and chicken meal, it looks like a superior formula than PP for a whole lot less money. Ezzy knows the Diamond formulas well. You might wanna ask him. Lets set the record straight. I have no idea what the Diamond formulas are and never have. Those are a well kept secret just as every ...
I have fed the diamond extreme and it's okay. I think you'll prefer the eagle pack that you are used to but you may like the diamond enough to make an $8 bag difference. I would not feed the super high energy foods to puppies or seniors, but my adults, 2-8 or so, often get it all year.
Ezzy, I didn't mean to imply you had the formula in your desk drawer, rather your were familiar with the company's products. As for corn products, I take exception to your opinion on how corn or corn derivatives are used in dog food, corn gluten meal is there to bump of protein cheaply, period. Trust me I have the memos. As for grades of meals, http://www.americanproteins.com/products.htm...
Rich Heaton wrote: So Ezzy,,,,, what do you feed? In the summer and in the winter? All of the dogs including puppies are on Diamond Premium. I fed several other feeds when the Diamond dealership closed a few years back but then I found a dealer about 20 miles away and started back on it. Tractor Supply just built a new store a mile from us so now we have access to many different feeds ...
I am not critical of people feeding commercial diets, I am just critical of the highly unethical manufacturers. I may have missed it but tell us which manufacturers are unethical because they manufacture a good feed that doesn't agree with your opinion of what is a good ingredient? As for corn products, I take exception to your opinion on how corn or corn derivatives are used in dog ...
http://www.proplan.com/products/Performance_DryDog .html The descriptions of Pro Plan Performance and Select may be legal but are totally unethical. 1) "Real Chicken" is not the #1 protein ingredient, unless you count the water in it....Corn Gluten is, but that would not make for sexy advertising. 2) "Wholesome Grains" that is total B/S. I wouldn't say "brewers rice" is a "Wholesome Grain",...
Pretty sexxy to trash dog food manufacturers isn't it. He's in the hip crowd now. Dog food labels had non of the creative marketing plans you see now before it became the hip thing to do was to trash a well balanced, scientifically formulated product. What is unethical is the half truths foisted by those who want to profit from our fears. PS - Feed the Diamond food and don't worry about it....
I remember corn in Abady and I also remember the liver-coated kibbled corn treats as well. I never bashed ground corn or even corn meal as an ingredient per se, just corn gluten and originally in the context of Pro Plan being a very high-priced, corn gluten-based food. Corn-gluten was essentially an industrial by-product without a use until it made its way into dog food via corporate horizontal and vertical intergration. The whole origin of...
mcbosco wrote: I remember corn in Abady and I also remember the liver-coated kibbled corn treats as well. I never bashed ground corn or even corn meal as an ingredient per se, just corn gluten and originally in the context of Pro Plan being a very high-priced, corn gluten-based food. Corn-gluten was essentially an industrial by-product without a use until it made its way into dog food via corporate horizontal and vertical intergration. The...
brdhntr wrote: Different in a good way? Not at all like Bosco said you basically get a call center. I have called other feed cos and talked to actual staff nutritionists and on stafff vets, the big P is the only one I did not get beyond the gates.
Mbosco, Let me see if I have this right? Seems to me you don't much care for Purina as far as there dog food is concerned? Your not much on grainy diets, or certain vegetable proteins such as CGM? Obviously price is a big factor to you, as you have brought it up multiple times here? Curious as to what you are feeding, and what PP in your area costs, as you have made it clear since PP uses CGM vs. price? Also was wondering your background...
Duane M wrote: brdhntr wrote: mcbosco wrote: http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/show-product.php?formulation=sa this one as well, open the PDF lower right hand corner This is a fine example of a company going beyond the minimum to inform their customer, compare that to the Purina site. I can't even find a product ingredient list on their site. Why would that be? Lots of rhetoric, almost no specifics, and some things down right meant...
mcbosco wrote: There is a minority in this thread that believes the proper protein for a dog is animal-based. ... To me corn gluten is a man-made industrial waste product and has no place in dog food. When they find yet another product like it that is cheaper it will be in that bag of Purina and they will proclaim it as good or better than corn gluten. Big business has a way of rationalizing things ya know. My dog eats raw and Abady and it...
mcbosco wrote: The origin of this question is solely a human construct because a wild canine eats virtually nothing but protein and fat, any plant based food is incidental. So no amount is too much unless its the wrong protein or low quality protein. That is why a food like Orijen or Core can use such high amounts of animal protein meal, because the quality is good....but they are close to the limit due to calcium levels and balance as well...
I debated whether or not to post on this subject again, as it has been beaten to death and nobody ever seems to change their mind, especially if they are reading so called scientific studies. However, I was thinking about something from my childhood and decided to share it, even though I realize that many others have told about similar experiences. Anyway, when I was growing up, my grandparents lived way back in the hills of Green County in...
I have fed several foods to my dog in the past couple years,(Eukanuba,Nutro,Diamond extreme athlete,Taste of the wild) For the past couple months I have been feeding the Evo red meat formula. It is a high protein and fat diet and he is in the best shape ever, with a great looking coat. I feel the results are well worth the cost of the food so I can justify feeding it. This thread has gone on for how many pages? I dont think anyone is going to...
I've always been confused about how much protein is too... I've always been confused about how much protein is too much. can anyone
enlighten me? also, is it safe to give a child a protein shake as a
substitute to ice cream or choc...
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