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Thread: Hide cautionary time signature but show cautionary key signature?
Started 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Philip.
Is this possible? (Fin 2009) (please, not interested in why I shouldn't do this. I have my reasons, thanks)
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Bill Stevens replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey Philip, why do you want to do that. Just kidding. In the measure after the cautionary stuff, leave the time signature what it is but create a different signature for display, making it the same as it was before the cautionary stuff. But why do you want to do that? Bil
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Vaughan replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Depending on the situation, it might work better to create an extra measure, change the time signature to match the previous one, select Always Hide in Measure Attributes, make sure the default rest isn't showing (you can do this with staff styles), then in Measure Attributes make the barline invisible, reduce the measure width to zero and deselect Include In Measure Numbering.
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Philip. replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Hi gents, Thanks for the fast replies. Bill, unfortunately I can't get your solution to work. In past experience, Finale treats the "display" time signature as the controlling time signature for the purpose of whether it should be shown or hidden. Were you able to get it to work somehow? Vaughan, I can see how your solution would work. But, it makes my head hurt :) Is there not a simpler way?...
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Bill Stevens replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
> Bill, unfortunately I can't get your solution to work. It worked for me. Let's say the first system ends in 3/4 and the first measure of the second system is 4/4. If I make the 4/4 measure display as 3/4 then the cautionary change doesn't happen. (Example below.) Bill Yikes! I just checked my upload and it gives you the dreaded Snow Leopard Tiff Bomb, so DON'T open IT. If you want to see...
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Philip. replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Hi Bill, it's a misunderstanding. What I actually need is the time signature is the same in both regions. So I want to force the time signature to "Always Show" in the second region, but not have a cautionary time signature display at the end of the system from the first region. Any other ideas? Post Edited (Philip.) : 9/6/2009 6:56:18 PM (GMT-5)
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Bill Stevens replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
How about in Document Options > Time Signatures > turn off courtesy time signatures. Does that do what you want? Bill
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Philip. replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Thank you, Bill! I don't think I have ever unchecked this before. Now I have to just make sure there are no key changes within the excerpts, since it's a document-wide setting. As long as this is the case, then this will work. Thanks again.
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Anders Brasetvik replied 3 months, 1 week ago
But this only affects the time signatures. As far as I can tell, this does exactly what you want. *Edit with screen shot*
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Philip. replied 3 months, 1 week ago
I'm sorry, my excitement was premature and I typed the wrong thing in my last post. I typed "key changes" when I meant time signatures. Anyway, it's moot. Of course, unchecking "Display Courtesy Time Signatures" turns off time courtesy time signatures document-wide, which is not exactly what I need. I actually need the cautionaries to display when the time signature does, in fact change. So to...
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Vaughan replied 3 months, 1 week ago
Philip said... Basically, the issue is that Finale lumps Cautionary Key Sig, Time Sig, and clefs all together in the Measure Attributes box. Why this is is done while retaining individual options for "Show if Needed/Always Show/Always Hide" doesn't make sense. You're absolutely right, this is strange and, sometimes, annoying. As soon as you force the time signature to show in the new ...
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Hide cautionary time signature...
Published (2009-09-06 21:25:00)
Thank you, Bill! I don't think I have ever unchecked this before. Now I have to just make sure there are no key changes within the excerpts, since it's a document-wide setting. As long as this is the case, then this will work. Thanks again.
Bill Stevens
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Hide cautionary time signature...
Published (2009-09-06 20:58:00)
How about in Document Options &gt; Time Signatures &gt; turn off courtesy time signatures. Does that do what you want? Bill
Vaughan
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Hide cautionary time signature...
Published (2009-09-07 18:45:00)
Philip said... Basically, the issue is that Finale lumps Cautionary Key Sig, Time Sig, and clefs all together in the Measure Attributes box. Why this is is done while retaining individual options for &quot;Show if Needed/Always Show/Always Hide&quot; doesn't make sense. You're absolutely right, this is strange and, sometimes, annoying. As soon as you force the time signature to show in the new section, it'll show up as...
Anders Brasetvik
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Hide cautionary time signature...
Published (2009-09-07 01:46:00)
But this only affects the time signatures. As far as I can tell, this does exactly what you want. *Edit with screen shot*

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