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Thread: Have you ever...

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by ZBowFlyz
I was just wondering if anyone has been asked by management to do things that you think are unsafe or are flat out illegal? How did you handle the situation? Things like flying over gross, flying non "certified into known ice airplanes" into ice, taking off into below minimum weather, flying altitudes that there is no chance in hell of holding the MEA OEI, Not using ox in non-pressurized ...
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slipped replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Sweet thread zbow, interested to see how this turns out.

FlyJSH replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
flying altitudes that there is no chance in hell of holding the MEA OEI - That is legal and why we have drift down charts flying IFR into airports that have only a GPS IAP - Again, legal, even if there is NO approach. See "Cruise" clearances: Cruise clearance. An ATC clearance issued to allow a pilot to conduct flight at any altitude from the minimum IFR altitude up to and including the ...

NoyGonnaDoIt replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
It's apparently pretty common. I was working on a presentation on the FAA enforcement process for a WINGS program. I was having dinner and a beer with one the FAA attorneys who prosecutes enforcement actions. I asked him if he had any suggestions for "must cover" topics. He asked me whether there would be any Part 135 pilots in my audience. When I told him there would, he told me that pilots...

tlove482 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
My life is more important then any job. If it's not safe, i'm not doing it. If it's not legal, I'm not doing it either. I've spent to much time and money on my ratings.

jonnyjetprop replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Yes, many times with different operators. I got out as quick as I could. No, I wont share any stories in a public forum. Quote: Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz I was just wondering if anyone has been asked by management to do things that you think are unsafe or are flat out illegal? How did you handle the situation?...

Boris Badenov replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Never been directly told to do anything illegal, but if you're a 135 pilot, particularly a cargo pilot, you know that at some companies dispatch has a way of forgetting certain things and leaving it to you to remember them. Noy: Ask your attorney pal what a pilot is supposed to do when given a totally fictitious weight and balance from a load crew. Go back there and weigh it all himself? ...

tlove482 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Boris Badenov Is the FAA going to get my job back when I get fired? I'm sure a good attorney will get you a nice chunk of change though.

NoyGonnaDoIt replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Boris Badenov Never been directly told to do anything illegal, but if you're a 135 pilot, particularly a cargo pilot, you know that at some companies dispatch has a way of forgetting certain things and leaving it to you to remember them. Noy: Ask your attorney pal what a pilot is supposed to do when ...

Hobbit64 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
It's illuminating when a pax looks at you just prior to picking up from a oil rig and tells you: " I know for a fact that this chopper will pick up 3600lbs. " I was in a Bell 206B3 with a 3200 lb max T/O wt. This was in reference to my delays earlier when trying to mix pax and bag combos to get folks out to their rigs from the shore. All of the 'expert' oil rig hands that "had more time in ...

mshunter replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I'm not in the 135 world (yet, got the time, but not the job). I worked for a flight school that when something was squaked on an airplane I got the "oh, it'll be fine" talk. And they'd remove stuff from the airplane, and not change the W&B, and leave open holes in the panel, just begging a fed to come up and see the hole. "So, the (insert equipment here) has been removed, you have the ...

 

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NoyGonnaDoIt
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Published (2009-10-30 11:18:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by MiserDD Obviously you've never worked at a 135 outfit or you've never talked to an attorney. If it was that easy do you really think any of us would have these problems? When you really need one, it's generally very disappointing when you find out that lawyers aren't magicians.
tlove482
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Published (2009-10-30 16:44:00)
You're absolutely right. Never done either. I guess I'm just optimistic. Kinda like how I keep sitting by the phone waiting for someone to call me to start flying their jet.
Boris Badenov
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Published (2009-10-27 23:40:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt Nope. He's not insensitive to the predicament. That's why he suggested I mention it in my talk. It makes my heart shoot rainbows that he feels my pain. Still and all, in the end, all the FAA does is destroy the lives of pilots and slap the offending certificate holder on the wrist and say "no seriously, don't do that!". I fail to see how there's a legit answer to...
ewfflyer
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Published (2009-11-02 06:31:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by 3XLoser I have been asked "can you get the airplane back?" and other similar variations, but that was partially because there were some kool aid drinking pilots who absolutely would do whatever they could, legal or not, to get the job done. I've answered "no" without getting a lecture, but I did witness a guy getting lectured because of how many things he was getting fixed...
ZBowFlyz
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Published (2009-10-24 21:38:00)
I was just wondering if anyone has been asked by management to do things that you think are unsafe or are flat out illegal? How did you handle the situation? Things like flying over gross, flying non "certified into known ice airplanes" into ice, taking off into below minimum weather, flying altitudes that there is no chance in hell of holding the MEA OEI, Not using ox in non-pressurized airplanes at altitudes above whats...
slipped
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Published (2009-10-25 00:01:00)
Sweet thread zbow, interested to see how this turns out.
FlyJSH
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Have you ever...
Published (2009-10-25 06:38:00)
flying altitudes that there is no chance in hell of holding the MEA OEI - That is legal and why we have drift down charts flying IFR into airports that have only a GPS IAP - Again, legal, even if there is NO approach. See "Cruise" clearances: Cruise clearance. An ATC clearance issued to allow a pilot to conduct flight at any altitude from the minimum IFR altitude up to and including the altitude specified in the clearance....
jonnyjetprop
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Have you ever...
Published (2009-10-26 10:21:00)
Yes, many times with different operators. I got out as quick as I could. No, I wont share any stories in a public forum. Quote: Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz I was just wondering if anyone has been asked by management to do things that you think are unsafe or are flat out illegal? How did you handle the situation?
Hobbit64
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Have you ever...
Published (2009-10-26 15:41:00)
It's illuminating when a pax looks at you just prior to picking up from a oil rig and tells you: " I know for a fact that this chopper will pick up 3600lbs. " I was in a Bell 206B3 with a 3200 lb max T/O wt. This was in reference to my delays earlier when trying to mix pax and bag combos to get folks out to their rigs from the shore. All of the 'expert' oil rig hands that "had more time in choppers...
mshunter
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Published (2009-10-26 16:09:00)
I'm not in the 135 world (yet, got the time, but not the job). I worked for a flight school that when something was squaked on an airplane I got the "oh, it'll be fine" talk. And they'd remove stuff from the airplane, and not change the W&B, and leave open holes in the panel, just begging a fed to come up and see the hole. "So, the (insert equipment here) has been removed, you have the current...

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