Lord Stern: 'People should give up eating meat to halt climate change' - Telegraph
At last the Holy Grail for this government a good excuse to tax food
In the last day in four separate adverts the UK government has repeatedly told me to:
1. Don't eat too much salt. Examine the amount of salt in my food. Done via a comedian.
2. Eat healthily, and use some sort of snackometer to help me replace a burger with a banana. Done through the medium of morph like models.
3. Don't smoke. A child's plea to camera.
4. Grown ups are killing the planet ...
MGIR,
Assuming of course that everybody is familiar with the blueprint.
Still no meat, at least the chocolate ration will be increased. And we all love the smell of cabbage.
I find it amazing that a supposedly intelligent man makes such fundamentally incorrect assertions about meat and farming, although given that this article appeared in the Torygraph (a penny dreadful in all but appearance), there is at least a 95% chance that he has been hopelessly misquoted.
The uncomfortable truth is that a vegetarian diet (as opposed to a vegan one) is not actually an opt-...
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Originally Posted by Peter Graham I find it amazing that a supposedly intelligent man makes such fundamentally incorrect assertions about meat and farming, although given that this article appeared in the Torygraph (a penny dreadful in all but appearance), there is at least a 95% chance that he has been hopelessly misquoted. Oh, it's hardly confined to ...
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Originally Posted by Peter Graham
Anyone who eats eggs or any form of dairy, or who drinks fined beer or wine, or enjoys confectionery, is part of the meat industry. True, Peter, and it goes even further - a friend of mine who's a strictish vegetarian was horrified to find that the antibiotics she was prescribed and had been taking were in a gelatine...
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Originally Posted by Urien 4. Grown ups are killing the planet for their children. I knew we had a reason for doing it....
* Wonders how much carbon is being pumped into the air in the building of such vital things as Olympic stadia. *
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Originally Posted by Peter Graham but it is certainly very wrong to say that vegetarianism (again, as opposed to veganism) would significantly cut down the numbers of animals in existence - or, at least, the number being killed. I would disagree with this. The Red Meat Industry Forum estimate that 50% of the cattle used for beef production in GB consists...
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Originally Posted by Peter Graham I find it amazing that a supposedly intelligent man makes such fundamentally incorrect assertions about meat and farming, although given that this article appeared in the Torygraph (a penny dreadful in all but appearance), there is at least a 95% chance that he has been hopelessly misquoted. Sadly not. I heard Stern ...
Quote: Originally Posted by Ursa major I got the impression that a lot of agriculture in the UK (whether involving animal husbandry or not) is is very resource intensive. (Whether it can be made less so while maintaining yields is something I'm not really qualified to comment on without investigation.) Farming is not land intensive. Geez. I have a theory about our obesity. I think a lot of it has to do with processed and boxed foods that...
Re: Give up meat? I don't eat lamb at all, I tried some once by mistake-thinking it was beef-and let me tell you, I spat that bite of meat out faster and further than I've spat anything. It had the unlucky misfortune of landing on someone else's plate, I think somewhere in their pasta. That was the last time I ate at that buffet, though. As for me, well, I really don't care where I get my meat from-I'd prefer from the...
I got the impression that a lot of agriculture in the UK (whether involving animal husbandry or not) is is very resource intensive. (Whether it can be made less so while maintaining yields is something I'm not really qualified to comment on without investigation.)
Re: Give up meat? Most meat is very good. The one I dislike most is probably turkey. It's rubbish that at Christmas instead of having tastier chicken, or excellent pork or brilliant venison we end up eating bloody turkey. We should try goose, perhaps. Not had that for ages.
Quote: Originally Posted by Rufio Respectfully I think you're missing the point, which is that our livestock agriculture is extremely resource and land intensive, which clearly wouldn't apply to an African herdsman or somesuch. I don't think anyone has ever starved to death because they were vegetarian anyway. Did i say being vegetarian made anyone starve ? I said its not the answer to the problem for people that dont live in...
Quote: Originally Posted by Urien When I lived in the USA I found that Americans much preferred beef and lamb was little seen. I don't know if that preference extends to Canada. The American diet and the Canadian diet is almost identical; we even have many of the same fast food chains and Safeway (the largest US grocery chain) exists coast to coast here. Not surprisingly, obesity in Canada ranks very close to that of the US. Lamb is a...
Quote: Originally Posted by Connavar My earlier post was to people that were talking like why eat meat at all when everyone can afford to eat green which isnt true globally. Were you referring to Lord Stern, Conn? No-one on this thread has said that people in the third world could just switch to a meat free diet. For my part, I specifically stated in my post that people in the Western world were the ones who ate meat by choice, and I...
Re: Give up meat? When I lived in the USA I found that Americans much preferred beef and lamb was little seen. I don't know if that preference extends to Canada. In the UK lamb is much more frequently seen, I'm not quite sure why; it might be something to do with historic rearing patterns and the ease that sheep could historically be reared (particularly on marginal land) as opposed to cows. Whereas by the time North America was...
Hi JDP Quote: Were the nation to become suddenly vegetarian, I believe there would indeed be a reduction in the number of livestock and fewer of those animals would be killed quite so prematurely. I think the number would not be insignificant. Fair point. Perhaps it might have been more accurate if I had said that a vegetarian UK would still involve the killing of many millions of animals, albeit fewer than are currently killed. The problem...
Quote: Originally Posted by Urien Mosaix, It fails your "so what" test. It does not fail mine. There is not, I believe, an absolute standard. You find the increase in Government information comforting, I find much of that information takes the form of nagging at best and at worst indoctrination. I find the Government information useful. Half the population criticise the Government for secrecy and cover ups, the other half...
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