Thread: Gay-marriage vote is too close to call in Maine

Quote: Originally Posted by Mama Duck That's what woodness03 is saying. I know; I'm just being strident, because it is a topic where the opposition's arguments fail any sort of logic test, and that drives me crazy! Quote: I do wonder what would have happened if the civil rights movement had been left up to the voter. Plessy would still be the rule of the day. At least there would be no seekrit muslin in the White House.

Quote: Originally Posted by Broken Sword I think the "they'll teach homosexuality in our schools" argument is even more common. But maybe that one's applied to more general gay-rights measures and not the specific gay marriage one as much. I got into a crappy argument over that with my mother-in-law just last Friday, after Obama signed the hate crime legislation. That's one's pretty stupid, too. It's news to...

Quote: Originally Posted by keokuk But in any event, I think it's somewhat difficult to say that desegregating schools was different because of court involvement, given that the court failed to really have a strong impact until after the political branches got involved. But didn't the Supreme Court decision give the politicians the teeth it needed to really make a strong impact once they decided to move? I am pleading ignorance - I...

Quote: Originally Posted by BringTheNoise I'm not Dactyl, but I do know that Civil Partnerships in the UK are restricted solely to same-sex relationships. I think that this is less than desirable but at least it does gives the same rights. Quote: And I do not agree that the state should pull out of marriage altogether. The state has been regulating marriage for literally centuries. To claim that somehow now it has become too religious is...

Quote: Originally Posted by Dactyl I'm unsure how you can reconcile those two statements, that the drafters used the term to gain equality yet it was designed to be inferior. How can it be both? The same way that something that is five feet long can be given length and still be less than ten feet long. Let me try it this way: Marriage is 10. The name "marriage" is a part of that, because there are clearly people who support gay...

Quote: Originally Posted by AnglRdr You all do know that there were no gays before they started teaching it in schools, right? And even then -- there are only confused heterosexuals.

Today's PvP comic is quite hilarious, I hope to have the occasion to try that out some time in public. Just to cover all the bases, there is stronger language in the comic, including the H-E-double hockey sticks word, and G*d Dam*, just in case that moves it into NSFW territory for some people.

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeBentley Yeah if the law said every time a straight man walked a certain distance you had to call it a yard and every time a gay man walked the same distance you had to call it a meter I'd say there was an ulterior motive for that to. It's not an ulterior motive, it's a blindingly obvious motive, as was the naming of Civil Partnerships. It was to get it through the political process. We all know...

Quote: Originally Posted by AnglRdr So, some rights are more complicated than all rights or no rights, and in a way that makes some rights not better than no rights. I still don't get how some rights is not better than no rights. I'm looking at it more from the legislative perspective, about what practically can be done. If I had the choice, I'd repeal DOMA and allow gay marriage nationwide, in every state. But practically, for...

Quote: Originally Posted by Lainie I don't give a NFBSK what they claim so long as they can't take away anyone's rights. They can claim that marriage is between a man and a woman, or that the earth is 6000 years old, or that a pink unicorn lives in their garage. Makes not one bit of difference to me. Are you really suggesting that, if the opportunity presented itself, you would oppose the proposed scheme -- which would give...