Thread: First amended complaint filed in Voom vs. Echostar Lawsuit
Started 1 year, 6 months ago by orlmac
I know that some aren't interested, but for those that are, the first amended complaint was filed in the Voom vs. Echostar lawsuit. There has been no response by Echostar yet. It looks to me like Voom has a strong case against Echostar.
The link is https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/mainframe.ht ml . The claim/index number is 600292/2008. I would be interested in other people's takes on the documents.
People will be shocked about this: Quote:
With Echostar's HD subscriber base already having expanded from approx 20,000 at the end of 2005 to approx 1.3 million at the end of 2007 ...
Remember, VOOM will be privy to these customer numbers (their monthly "income" from Dish is based on a per subscriber dollar amount).
There are people who think that 25-...
Interesting document...but even if VOOM has a leg to stand on, and in my non-legal layman's opinion they might, this is still all about money. No where does it state that as part of the lawsuit that Echostar MUST return VOOM to the airwaves. It's all about money. VOOM is asking for at least $1 BILLION dollars for the breach in damages. I suppose that a court MIGHT demand E* return VOOM to the ...
Well, it seems from this doc that dish was strong arming Voom so it could tier its HD. Dish dropped all the channels by their choice not Vooms as suggested in early posts. The threats are what get me, "we will find a way". Now that some number are attached to the so called 100million a year spending deal , I would like to see what dish has as a counter to all this.. It also hints that the ...
If the court thought VOOM had a good case against Echostar, it would have rule in favor of an injunction. It did not.
There is nothing new in this.
I would doubt that Voom could last the length of a trial on the merits.
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Originally Posted by hall People will be shocked about this:
There are people who think that 25-50% of Dish's customers are HD customers ! It works out to 10% in fact. That's what people on this board don't understand. HD is nice but the average Joe doesn't care or will not pay more money just to watch HD.
The majority of users on this board are...
Quote: Originally Posted by riffjim4069 I The other option is to shuttle VOOM Network HD LLC, sell VOOM assets back to Rainbow Media for pennies on the dollar, close-out E*'s equity ownership in VOOM, and stand-up 5-8 "New HD Channels" under the Rainbow moniker. In any case, VOOM needs to do something...soon!!! I certainly don't disagree about whether they need to do something. Just moving the channels and the...
Quote: Originally Posted by BobMurdoch E* may have done them a favor........ Bob, I disagree. I think if you read the document you will find out that they (V*) knew that they were going to operate at a loss for a while until the deal reached maturity. Reaching maturity involved two variables. One the HD sub base was going to increase in the later part of the deal and the amount per sub was also going to increase. So the money lost in the...
Quote: Originally Posted by riffjim4069 ...Anyway, the courts provide a forum for potential injured parties to seek compensation for damages caused by another party. I noticed you post quite often in the Tivo versus Echostar forum in which Tivo, to date, has been awarded $400M from E* stealing Tivo's intellectual property... Yet both these cases prove the courts do not provide a forum only for those who claim to be injured parties, that...
It is arguable that there was no reduction in channels. There was a consolidation. Material from 21 was folded into 15. Anther point for the court to decide. Hard to say a movie channel was discontinued when it's movies are still shown, perhaps on a different channel, perhaps not as often.
Quote: Originally Posted by riffjim4069 6. I have stated that V*'s story is more plausable simply based on the fact is would be pure stupidity for them not to comply with all terms & conditions of their affiliation agreement with E* because...well, because E* would be a cash-cow in years coming...even if they elected not to seriously market the VOOM channels. I have also stated that "heads should roll" in the...
Quote: Originally Posted by TulsaCoker Incorrect.. D* could add them anytime they choose....however, they chose not to and in fact mad fun of those channels in adds. Voom's death was forseen many many years ago when they were a sperate tier. They cannnot stand on their own like HBO or Showtime. To be honest D* for many years was not in a position to add any hd channels until they launched some sats. So for the last year or so they had...
You right , Voom should be not be in the basic package, but that is what dish and Voom had in the contract. Now Dish wants to tier HD and has a problem, A CONTRACT! "I know lets find a loop hole for our short sight" Yes I agree you should Have a choice to sub to Voom, but Dish did not account for that in the beginning. Whether you like Voom or not they have a contract in place , which they feel they have held up their end of...
Quote: Originally Posted by riffjim4069 There is probably a faster way, but after running a few searches here is where I located the information: First, go to the NYS Unified Court System and seach by Pary Name "VOOM" or "EchoStar". You will see a list of all publically available documents filed with the court (I am still curious why EchoStar's CounterClaim is not listed). As far as finding the...
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