As ive wanted to do something out of the original for the ecotec, im contempt to heading down the twincharged track. Ive only seen it done once on the L67 engine in America but im sure there is a few getting around somewhere in oz. Just so i don't have to explain it in text, i done up a few diagrams in the mighty old MS Paint. Let me know what you guys think and what would be the best suited....
The simplest, and most effective way to do this would be to have the turbo upstream of the charger.
If you put the turbo downstream of the supercharger, you will find the supercharger will be restricting the amount of air the turbo can flow. (Hence your bypass valve in designs 4&5) - while this might work, i reckon a direct air intake for a turbo is best, since it will want to breathe HEAPS at...
Here's a pretty picture. - While the pipes look more complicated, basically you are only ADDING the intercooler and turbo piping.... and everything supercharger related (other than the cooler) stays exactly as it is.
note the airflow meter is in a non-boosted area... while it might work with it in the boost side piping, i dunno how comfortable i'd be winding up the boost in a plastic tube...
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Originally Posted by VN_Luke
Common misconception is that the supercharger is a 'restriction' on the flow path of the turbo, but in reality, this is rubbish.
That is the exact reason for the turbo after the supercharger! From my knowledge, I was under the impression that all superchargers would be ...
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Originally Posted by azza77
That is the exact reason for the turbo after the supercharger! From my knowledge, I was under the impression that all superchargers would be restrictive to pressure with the exception of a roots type charger. So is there enough clearance through the rotors for the turbo to pass upto say 20PSI while ...
VN Luke is right it is the pressure ratio that makes the boost so to get 20psi at the SC outlet with the SC running 6psi you would need the TC to be making about 10psi boost plus any IC losses. here is a really great article on an MR2 Project MR6 Toyota MR2 - Compound Forced Induction - Map Sensor - Turbo Magazine . I am already planning to go down this route with my VT I just need to sell ...
I'm getting a 4.2 litre L67 stroker built and it should be finished real soon. It's going into my VS with a Mal Wood T56 6 speed behind it. Plan is to enjoy the M90's low end torque for a while before converting to turbo. However, i wonder if i'll miss the added punch the M90 would have provided after going turbo! Unless of course i could have the best of both worlds without too much headache!...
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Originally Posted by HoldenManDan
The M90 has a 10psi pulley on it atm, and the 5% overdriven balancer will bump it up to around 12-13psi. Perhaps add a GT35R with the 1.06 housing (the biggest) and run 20-ish psi in the intake will get me in the vicinity of 350rwkw, with bucketloads of torque! Ultimate goal is to make an ...
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Originally Posted by warrjon
You want to run the minimum boost on the SC 6psi is more than enough. If you run more the SC will rob more power from the engine, also if you have the SC at 10psi to get 20psi at the SC outlet the TC will be pumping 6psi with a large TC and that flow rate the TC will be very inefficient. You can also...
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Originally Posted by VN_Luke
Yeah it's like a scale - SC boost vs turbo boost - but it's SO hard to say what's best to run without actually just trying combinations and monitoring boost pressures.
Check out the link in my last post for the Twincharged MR2. These guys did a lot of dyno work, monitoring boost ...
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Originally Posted by warrjon
Check out the link in my last post for the Twincharged MR2. These guys did a lot of dyno work, monitoring boost pressure in a number of different configurations, real interesting read.
I was originally leaning towards bypassing the SC at higher engine RPM but the testing they did showed the SC is ...
Quote: Originally Posted by azza77 Just a quick question in regard to exhaust flow. Does it matter how far apart the exhausts join, say if the RH manifolds went direct to the turbo but the LH manifold had an extra meter of piping before it got to the turbo would it unbalance engine compression? Im thinking it really only depends on flow, provided there is enough flow and the pipes merge correctly it should be right should it? The short answer...
Quote: Originally Posted by warrjon I personally would experiment with using the stock manifolds (not even turning them around) and have the Xover run behind the engine, this would require far less work no cutting manifolds or relocating stuff that is in the way around the front. Been having the same thoughts, with the xover going over the gearbox then merging onto the standard joint on the passenger manifold then on the passenger manifold...
Quote: Originally Posted by azza77 Hwo says the turbo needs to be mounted infront of the engine? I made the manifolds so there is a cross over from the drivers side on the standard manifolds attached to passenger side with the turbo mounted directly above the passenger manifolds generally were the air intake sits. I was going to go infront of the engine but its too squashy with the snout in the way and a large turbo. I just found it easier to...
hey mate Dick rang me he said his 3 bar software is ready so all I have to do is drill and tap the LIM for the IAT sensor and ring him up. The only thing stopping me from doing more drag racing is my fear of the gearbox letting go. Just something I noticed. I tried running the blower with the bypass open all the time and the turbo spool time decreased by 500 rpm with the blower free spinning cool hey! so full boost by 3000rpm
I think, when I was speaking to Luke, He was saying to use the ecotec manifolds, and reverse them, so the outlets are facing forward, then make a crossover between the manifolds in front of the engine, and then chuck ur turbo on one side or the other. I don't see why this wouldn't work. I'd suggest some sort of bracing to support the whole shebang ofcourse. This summer looks like it's gonna be a lot of parts chasing
i would be working on keeping it simple the KISS method never fails LOL. turbo into charger out via air to air charger mount through big 300x600x100 or 115 front mount air to air cooler back in through the throttlebody mounted on air to air charger mount on the drivers side that way you can run a BOV before the throttle body to kep the system primed for quick respone when the pedals stomped down .water to air is good if you can keep the water...
oh could the timing be any better? I dare say no! Please give us some info on what you're using and how it's all set up!! Dont tease us! Luke, looks like it goes intake>turbo>cooler>supercharger>inlet manifold, yes?
Quote: Originally Posted by azza77 Wouldn't have any more under the bonnet then a IC W2A and Whipple setup. Only thing i think would be squashy is an extra radiator and A2A intercooler on the front. Especially if theres a transmission cooler aswell. But keep it compact enough and it should be fine. And maybe put an extra fan infront of the trans cooler to keep decent airflow to the engine radiator. i was saying if you added another...
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